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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 29 November 07 11:09 GMT (UK) »
Did either of the sisters have children that you know of?  There's an interesting marriage of a John Lally to a Lillian Morris in Bolton in 1910 and they seem to have had a son in Bolton in early 1913.  If this Lillian Morris is "Lilly" that might provide a clue to a stepfather's surname.

Actually the Lallys' son may have been born late 1912 and registered in 1913 in which case there's a matching death in Bolton in Mar 2000.

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 29 November 07 17:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ambly,  Yes I did say WW2 but I meant WW1. Told you I was a numpty!  Do you know where I can get any info on his army service as he lived in Westhoughton in 14-18?  I will look at the address he married from. I have looked up the male witness who lived in Atherton, but can't find any connection. I've looked at the census in quite an area round where the witness lived but turned up nothing. I think he knew him from working down the mines. The female witness was my Grandmothers sister.  I'm sorry, I didn't explain it correctly but the boxes for fathers name and occupation were empty except for a line. Will look up J Boydell in the 1901 census. Thank you so much.

Hi Suz, Good idea about the marriage cert, will do that. Many thanks.

Hi Anna, Will look the marriage up. If Lilly was called Morris then JW's mum could have married a Morris which will maybe help. It's another line to look down. Won't mention any living people. Thanks a lot.

Thank you all, Regards Lilian.

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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 29 November 07 21:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lilian, and everyone!

What do you think of these - I'm having a hard time going past them myself:

1901: Westhoughton (St Bartholemews) Lancashire
Ref: RG13 /  Piece: 3611 /  Folio: 116 /  Pg 16
Address: Reeves Cottages
Head: Thomas MORRIS 40, Coal Miner & Hewer, b Atherton Lancs
Wife: Louisa MORRIS 38, b Atherton Lancs
Dau: Jane E MORRIS 19, Coal Screener  & Picker (above Ground),  b Leeswood,  Mold, Flint(shire)
Son: John W MORRIS 16, Coal Miner & Hewer, b Manchester Lancs
Son: Joseph T MORRIS 13, Coal Screener & Picker (Above Ground) b Atherton Lancs
Dau: Eva E MORRIS 12, b Atherton Lancs
Son: George H D MORRIS 11, b Bolton Lancs
Dau: Lillian H MORRIS 9, b Bolton Lancs
Dau: Mary MORRIS 7, b West Leigh Lancs
Son: Alfred G MORRIS 5, b Atherton Lancs
Son: Richard MORRIS 3, b Bolton Lancs
Son: Edwin C MORRIS 6 months, b Bolton Lancs

1891: Great Bolton (Holy Trinity) , Lancashire
Ref: RG12 /  Piece: 3121 / Folio 41A /  Pg 34
Address: 5 Mather Street
Head: Thomas MORRIS 30, Coal Miner, b Atherton Lancs
Wife: Ada L MORRIS 28, b Atherton Lancs
Son: John W MORRIS 6, Scholar, b Manchester
Son: Joseph T MORRIS 3, b Atherton
Dau: Eva E MORRIS 2, b Atherton
Son: George H MORRIS 1, b Bolton

Noting - these two children in 1901 (and only one of them present in 1891)  were born before the Census parents married.....
Dau Jane E born 1882 Wales
Son: John W born 1885 Manchester

Marriage :  Mar Qtr 1887 - Leigh RD 8c 255
Thomas MORRIS and Ada Louisa DAVIES
(Also on Lancashire BMD  for Atherton St. John The Baptist,  Wigan & Leigh)

Trying to find the births of daughter Jane E and Eva E - to see if either had a middle name of Ethel..............??  Trying to find dau Jane E in 1891, too.............??

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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 29 November 07 22:01 GMT (UK) »
Bingo!!

Births Dec Qtr 1888 -   Leigh  8c 296   
MORRIS   - Eva Ethel   

And - that 1886 Manchester reg for birth , which Jill found (above) of John William DAVIES looks really well now!

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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 29 November 07 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Well done Ambly!  I think you might just have made a new RootsChatter quite happy!

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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 29 November 07 22:56 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Jill! I got  quite excited myself as all the bits just kept dropping in to fit  ;D  I'm crossing my fingers for Lilian!!

If this family turns out to be right, Lilian - there's a goldmine awaiting on the DAVIES side....Ada Louisa DAVIES on 1871 and 1881 is quite findable  - I believe it's her -   born Chowbent Lancs, living in Atherton area - parents Mary b Dent YKS and John b Denbeighshire Wales..........

....and a tree here:  ( though there is no marriage or issue  info on it for Ada Louisa, it does take the DAVIES side back to the early 1700's)
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=vfairbrass&id=I3405

And would you believe it! The owner of the tree has last updated it 29 Nov 2007!!

Cheers  :D
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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 29 November 07 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Absolutely brilliant :)

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 29 November 07 23:34 GMT (UK) »
AMBLY ... I would like to add my BRILLIANT too .... well done . It's great when it all falls into place ...heart starts pounding, can't stop smiling and can't type fast enough ...woo hooooo for you !

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Who is my Grandad?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 30 November 07 15:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi AMBLY,  I don't know how to thank you and all the other wonderful, generous people who have helped. It seems that I can carry on now and I am all excited at the prospect of unearthing relatives again.  I can't wait to get on the computer again!!!!!!!  Many Many thanks, the site is wonderful and you are all superb.. Lilian ;D
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