1851/61 lookup please

[outlaw]

Hi June
the 3 joseph's i found were
ridgeway mill

joseph  newman hd m 76 miller
jane   newman  wi  m 71 millers wife 
john  newman  so  m 31  miller
catherine  newman  dl  m  31
joseph  newman  sl    4
mary jane newman  da  3
daurathea  newman  da  2
elizabeth  newman  da  4 months
all born purton

purton common

joseph  newman  29 agr lab
jane  newman    28
james  newman  8
thomas  newman 5
henry  newman 2

the joseph at the mill would have been 86 in 1861 quite old for that time,perhaps he was living with the 29(1851) 39(1861) joseph.
paula

[Mistyrose41]

Hi Paula,
 I think it is quite likely that Joseph the Miller would be pushing up daisies in 1861. I think I will plum for Jonah[or is it Joseph] The farmer at Castle Eaton, William's uncle?
June

[outlaw]

Hi June
how come that mary was born in christian malford when the family was from purton/cricklade?
paula

[Mistyrose41]

Hello Paula,
 This is a bit puzzling, A real mixed up family!! O.K. on the IGI it gives Mary Ann's [Mary Newman's middle daughter] place of christening as Purton I think it is quite likely that she was born in the Purton Union Workhouse as was her younger sister Elizabeth. On Elizabeth's details on the 1851 her place of birth is given as Purton Union. Now heres the Christian Malford connection. On the Calne Union Workhouse 1851 Census Mary Newman gives her place of birth as 'Christian Malford'. I can't find a Mary Newman born at Christian Malford of that age and seeing all her daughters were born in Purton on the IGI I think it all points to her being from here plus Joseph the Miller had daughters of the right name and approx. age. Perhaps I am wrong but I have no other line to follow at present. What with William's place of residence on his marriage certificate being wrong to the father query!!! No wonder I have this head banging feeling!!!June

[Mistyrose41]

Just had another thought with regards to Mary Newman..... 3 births within 3 years at Purton the last one being Dec 1841. Does she appear in the 1841 census for Purton [in the Workhouse maybe?] Have these children all got the same father.... Was she in some sort of relationship??? June

[outlaw]

Hi June
I will be going to swindon records centre next thursday so if you havn't found out by then i'll have a look for you.i think she must have been in a relationship to have had 3 children in a short period of time.
paula

[Mistyrose41]

Hello Paula, Thank you for the offer of the record office that would be great. I just have to colate all this info and then I will probably organise a trip down to Trowbridge but if your going "Yes Please!  June

[Mistyrose41]

Hello Paula, Heres another twist on the William Newman saga. I have just discovered from Audrey on the BVRI look up that Joseph and Jane Newman [The Miller and his 2nd wife] had a son Joseph Bpt: 25/12/1815. Now was our Mary[ bpt. in Christian Malford on the 1851 census at Calne] in a relationship with him and took his name. Anythings possible! Mistyrose

[Mistyrose41]

Hi Mistyrose
this is all the william's born in cricklade in 1846

Barnes, William 1846 March Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Bartlett, William Thomas 1846 December Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Bevan, William 1846 June Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Blanchett, William Henry 1846 June Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Cainey, Young William Thomas 1846 December Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Carter, William 1846 March Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Comley, William 1846 June Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Dunford, William 1846 December Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
GARDNER, William 1846 March Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Gibbons, William Richard 1846 June Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Giles, William 1846 December Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Haines, William 1846 June Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Hall, George William 1846 December Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Jefferies, William 1846 December Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
KEENE, William 1846 December Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
LEIGHFIELD, William 1846 June Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Reynolds, Henry William 1846 March Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Smith, Ira William Hunt 1846 March Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Stone, William Henry 1846 June Births Cricklade Wiltshire 
Welsh, William 1846 December Births Cricklade Wiltshire
 
you could check to see if each one of that age still has the same name in 1871,1881.a long shot i know but can't think of another way at the moment
paula

Hello Outlaw, I took your advise and crossed referenced these William's with the 1871 census returns, Could not match 4 of them. Tried to match them on BMD site to a marriage to a Joseph Newman. No luck. I did a similar thing some time ago with all the William Newman's of the right age group on the 1851 Wilts census. The only one I could not account for was William from The Calne Workhouse. Mistyrose