William & Isabella Spoor in 1861 & 1871 in Co. Durham pls COMPLETED WITH THANKS

[CaroleW]

Unfortunately - 2 possible Isabella Armstrong births on freebmd.  She was 3 and 13 in 1881/91 but is 22 in 1901!!

Births Dec 1877

ARMSTRONG  Isabella     Gateshead  10a 789   

Births Jun 1878 

ARMSTRONG  Isabella     Gateshead  10a 966   

[Ecneps]

Possible marriage for William Junior from familyhistoryonline:

Stella (Blaydon) Dur 1904 William Spoors  Marcella Payne

[Ecneps]

What do you make of this surname anyone? See reply 12  - 1901 census

[patrexjax]

Hello Barbara, The image looks like Brown to me.....Also, on freeBMD there is a marriage for an Isabella Armstrong to a William Brown March Qtr 1899......Maybe??   Pat

[Ecneps]

Yes, found that, reply 17.  Name indexed on ancestry as Biron

[Ecneps]

Hi Pat,

Decided to go back to 1841 and follow the 2 William Spoors born 1823 Swalwell/Whickham.  I think the marriage you have for William & Isabella must relate to the family Carole found in 1861, Grocers, so possibly why we couldn't find William/Isabella prior to that. The William in the pair that were Grocers was born c.1827.  I think your William (from 1881) didn't marry til after 1871 census after his father died.

The one I think which is the one you found in 1881:

William Spoor b.19 Sep 1822 bapt. 25 Oct 1822 parents William/Catherine (IGI)

1841 HO107/302/13 fol.15 p.24/5  Swalwell
William  Spoor  50 Blacksmith
Cathrine    "     50
Charles      "    20 Blacksmith
Samuel       "    20          "
William       "    15   Hammerman
Rosa          "    15
Isabella      "   14
all born in county

1851 HO107/2803 fol.124 p.46  Swalwell
William Spoor      head m 63 Blacksmith 
Catherine  "        wife m 63
William       "        son  s 28 Blacksmith
Isabella     "        dau s 24 Dressmaker
William Nicholson visitor 19 Labourer
Jane         "              "     15 Scholar
all born Whickham

1861 RG9/3807 fol.117 p.12  10 Quality Row, Swalwell
William Spoor     head Wid 73 Shovel Maker       Whickham
William     "         son   unm 39 Blacksmith Striker  Swalwell
Elizabeth Lambe sister wid 72 Housekeeper       Whickham

1871 RG10/5064 fol.52 p.9  10 Quality Row, Swalwell
William Spoor  head Wid 83 Retired Blacksmith  Whickham
William      "     son   unm 49 Blacksmith at Swalwell Ironworks   Swalwell

then married Isabella, possible marriage Sept Qu 1871 Isabella Holmes Newcastle T. 10b 141

Then 1881/1891/1901 etc you already have.
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The other William: 

William Spoor b.19 Apr 1822 bapt.19May 1822 Whickham parents Abraham/Mary

1841 HO107/302/14 fol.9 p.13  Whickham
Joseph Spoor  45 Anchor Smith
Mary         "     45
William      "     20 Mason
Mary          "    20
Mark          "    15 Chain Maker App.
all born in county

1851 HO107/2403 fol.159 p.32 Whickham
Mary Spoor head W 53 Keelman's wife   Lamesley
William   "    son   s  28 Labourer            Whickham
/
Mark       "   head m 25 Anchor Smith         "
Isabella  "   wife   m 25        "    "  wife        "
Mary       "    dau       4         "     "   dau       "

1861 RG9/3807 fol.47 p.8    Back Row, Whickham
Mary Spoor head W 63 River Keelman's widow Whickham
Willliam   "   son   u  38 Cartman          Whickham
Mary       "  servant  14 House Servant         "
/
Mark       "   head  m 35 Anchor Smith           "
Isabella  "   wife   m  34    "          "     wife    "

1871 RG10/5063 fol,49 p.9  Back Row Whickham
William Spoor  head un 48 Cartman 
/
Mark         "      head m 45 Blacksmith
Isabella    "       wife m  45         "    wife
/
Mary         "      head un 51 Shopkeeper

Hope this helps, off to bed now!
Barbara   

[patrexjax]

Hello Barbara! WOW!     I owe you really big time!!!  These two Williams have been a thorn in my side ever since I started my roots quest many moons ago.  Positively fantastic how you sorted them out.   A big thank you from across the pond hardly seems adequate.  I hope some day,in some way, I can repay your kindness.  Again, a really big THANK YOU!!!   Pat

[Ecneps]

Hi Pat,

More certain now that the marriage you have for William to Isabella Baty 1852 relates to the family in Westoe.
The rest of the census for this family just in case they're related to you others - to go with all the information Carole found (address in 1861 from previous page - Green Street and Isabella b. Wylam):

1861 - address just shown as "shop" Westoe S/Shields Isabella is shown as b Northumberland
William Spoor 34 b Whickham Grocer
Isabella Spoor 30  Northumberland
Ann B Spoor 3 Months  b S/Shields - Ann Baty b March qtr 1861
Car Ann?? Spoor 7  b Whickham - could be Catherine Ann b June qtr 1854
F Jane Spoor 9  b Whickham
Hannah Spoor 5  b Blaydon
Mary E Spoor 2  b Whickham

1871 RG10/5033 fol.74 p.8
Green Street, Westoe, South Shields
Isabella Spoor wife m 40 Grocers Wife  Northumb. Wylam
Hannah      "    dau  s 15        "     dau    Durham Blaydon
Mary Elliot  "       "       13 Scholar                 "           "
Jane Ann    "       "         8       "                     "    South Shields
William       "     son       6       "                     "           "

William perhaps at sea in 1871 (marine supt in later census) ?

1881 RG11/5011 fol.47 p.26   29 Broderick Tce, Westoe, South Shields
William a marine superintendent

1891 RG12/4152 fol.71 p.34  77 Broderick St, Westoe, South Shields, Durham
William     Spoor  head m 64 Marine Superintendent  Durham Whickham
Isabella        "      wife  m 60                                       Northumbd. Wylam
Catherine Ann "    dau s  36                                       Durham Whickham
Hannah           "      "    s  35                                            "       Blaydon
Jane Ann         "      "    s  28                                            "       South Shields


Barbara   

[patrexjax]

Hello Barbara, Thanks so much for putting the "icing on the cake" by giving me the other Wm. Spoor family, too. They are all in my family tree - some branches and some twiglets. This all started when I got the death cert for an Isabella Spoor whom I assumed (ahem!) was my g-grandmother. This one wasn't, but it sure helped tie up lots of broken limbs out there!     Thanks again.   Pat