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1871 look up please
« on: Thursday 06 December 07 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi, l wonder if sks would very kindly look up the following on the 1871 census?

William Hagreen born 1840 Swaffham Bulbeck, Cambridgeshire

I know very little of William other than he marries either a Sophia or Emma in 1863 in the Newmarket Reg district(info from freebmd)

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Kind regards

Robert
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Re: 1871 look up please
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 December 07 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Robert

I have looked for this person for you to no avail, I also saw your other post re Issac and his brother and nothing  :(  I wonder if it is totally complete :-\ for the area.  I tried by just using a Christian name and still nothing


I will keep looking, no doubt some clever person will find them for you  :D


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LEICESTERSHIRE & MIDDLESBROUGH - BOLLANDS, GORE,
LINCOLNSHIRE - BAKEWELL, MARRIOTT
MONAGHAN & CRAMLINGTON - RICE
LAZENBY - HANSOM, HARRISON, NODDINGS, EASBY
BARNBY DUN - HARVEY, BLANCHARD
DANBY & WHITBY  - JEFFELS
LIVERPOOL - GANDER
SKELTON & ESTON - SEATON
BEDALE & MIDDLESBROUGH - STEPHENSON
BROUGHTON - HARRISON
MIDDLESBROUGH - WARD,FOSTER
PINCHINTHORPE -  POSTGATE
BILSDALE- BOYES


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Re: 1871 look up please
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 January 08 22:57 GMT (UK) »
He appears with his parents in 1841/51/61 - after that - nothing.

Perhaps he emigrated?


Tricia
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: 1871 look up please
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 January 08 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Robert -

Your William Hagreen definitely married Emma Marsh, as Sophia Howard married a Levitt, with whom she is living in 1871 in Swaffham Bulbeck, along with (conveniently!) her mother, whose name is Howard.

But Emma and William are nowhere to be found in 1871 or later in the UK.

There is however the following record in the 1880 US census:
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Lotta was born in England, Lucy in NY - which places immigration between 1869 and 1871. This might be Lotta's birth:
Births Jun 1869:  Hagreen  Charlotte Ann     Newmarket  3b 515
 
Interestingly, there is a William Haygreen in New York in the US 1880 census - born about 1859, both parents born in England. He is lodging with farmer Benjamin Furman and family, and is also a farmer born in NY.

And in the Ellis Island records, a William Hagreen arrived in NY on the St Louis from Southampton in Feb 1910. He is a US citizen of English ethnicity, bricklayer by trade, and was returning to his home and his wife in Superior, Wisconsin. His age on arrival was 42 yrs 1 mth, pointing to a birth date of 1868.

I saw from Tricia's reply that you were also searching for Isaac, William's elder brother.

An Isaac Hagreen/Haygreen aged 40 was living in Burlington, Kane County, Illinois in 1870. I don't have a full world sub at Ancestry, so can't view the full record.

In 1880, Isaac is shown as 54, a farmer of Burlington born in England. His wife is Ellen aged 43 born in Ireland. Illinois marriages at Ancestry shows an Isaac Hagreen married Ellen Grady in Kane County after 1851. Their children in 1880 range from John aged 20 to Etta aged 13, all born in Illinois.

In the Passenger and Immigration lists on Ancestry, an Isaac Heaygreen arrived in the US, destination Illinois. In the same list, there is also an Isaac Hagrun with the same destination. I would need the global sub to see more, which I don't have! However, I can't find these two at Ellis Island - so there's a possibility of even more severe mistranscription!  Nor can I find any trace of immigration by William, Ellen and their daughter Charlotte/Lotta.

Isaac and Ellen are buried in Plato Center Cemetery, Elgin Township, as is their daughter Alice.
HAYGREEN           
Alice 1863 1937       
Ellen 1840 1928       
Isaac 1827 1908

Interestingly, there is another older Isaac, in Rochester, Monroe County, NY. He is 70 in 1880, with wife Eliza aged 64, both born in England. Children are James aged 20 and married daughter Emma Lathrop and her child. Children all born in NY. Perhaps William above also belongs to them? (Although he could equally well belong to Isaac and Ellen, or perhaps none of them!)

Isaac and Eliza are mentioned here in a Baptist church document dated 1847, so if born in England, must have emigrated before that.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychauta/CHURCH/FredoniaBapt/Minutes/FBCLettersPre-1850.pdf

I would suggest buying a voucher from Ancestry which would let you see the original census images of the above - they will have a lot more information, especially for 1870. You'll also be able to see the immigration records in more detail.

All the above is of course circumstantial - but William and Emma in 1880 can be identified, I should think, by sending for the birth cert of Charlotte/Lotta. That is, providing it's the right Lotta!

Anyway, I hope all this helps!

Wendy

PS

Just discovered that John and Lucy Rutter (William & Isaac's sister and her husband) also appear to have emigrated before 1870 to Monroe county, New York.
Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney


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Re: 1871 look up please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 January 08 16:07 GMT (UK) »
My goodness, that all looks very interesting and promising

Perhaps Robert could get back to us and let us know what he thinks.


I think it may be an idea to post a new thread entitled 'Ancestry World Subs Search' and see if anyone who has this subscription can look at

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

particularly these entries

William Hagreen
Charlotte Hagrone
Emma M Hagrde

and  see if we can piece this all together.

Just a thought. It's very frustrating to see these entries and not be able to look at them

Charlotte(Lottie) does not appear on the 1871 census

Tricia
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: 1871 look up please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 January 08 16:18 GMT (UK) »



   Any Help.....

  William Hagreen 42 yrs 1 month male married
                              Bricklayer
                               read   yes
                               write  yes
                               Nationality   American  ditto from above
                               Race  English
                       last residence      Superior
                      name and address Mrs Hagreen
                                                      42 west 8th st
                                                       Superior  Wis.

                       Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: 1871 look up please
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 January 08 16:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Tricia -

You can actually buy a cheap voucher allowing you access to the World Sub data - you get a dozen lookups for £6.95 valid for a period of 14 days. I have done this quite regularly over the years to chase up my US/Canada family lines. However, I don't have any unexpired credits right now, or I would have had a look. :)

Go here to get a 14-day voucher - mainly for Robert's benefit, but others might also find it useful:

https://secure.ancestry.co.uk/myaccount/default.aspx?ti.si=0&ti=5538

Tazzie -

That's the one, yes. I found him on Ellis Island as well, as per the earlier post I made.  Born about 1868 in the USA - hard to say who he belongs to. Could be either William and Emma OR Isaac the Younger and Ellen. Or he could be quite unrelated - but it's not a common name.....
Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney

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Re: 1871 look up please
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 January 08 16:34 GMT (UK) »
Where's that Robert - he hasn't been online since Dec 31st :(

Yes, I know about the vouchers but thought he might like to have a go on here first ;)



Tricia
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 January 08 16:35 GMT (UK) »


   Hi    yep  ...Mrs Hagreen doesn;t help much.


   1920 census any good for this

   I can transcribe

                              Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

 This information is Crown Copyright from
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