John Peter SMITH 1851

[eveder]

Please can anyone help?
have just come across this info. John Peter SMITh was a bro. of my Gt Grandfather. They were sons of Job SMITH & Elizabeth  EAGLE.
On the 1851 [UK] census he is shown as :- J. Smith unmarried 19
i.e. Born 1831/2. at St Andrews Holborn Commercial Trav. Millinery
By the 1861 census he had disappeared.
But he turns up with a son John Edward SMITH born 1861 Melbourne Victoria and a wife Emma Beattie. John Peter died 19th June 11900 South Yarro.Victoria.
Is it possible to find out When & How he arrived in Australia? And for that matter anything else. Eveder

[cando]

Hi Eveder

The Victorian death certificates are very informative.  Youcould purchase a certificate on line and download immediately for AUD$17.50. 
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/servlet/bdm_home
The time in Australia is noted on the death certificate - if the informant had the information.  You will need the Registration No and Year of death -

Death
SMITH John  Peter
Father  Smith Job   Mother Elizabeth EAGLE
Age 68
Death Place South Yarra  Year 1900  Reg. No 7145

You could search on
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
for Unassisted Emigrants or
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24
for Assisted Emigrants
but identifying your John SMITH on the index may prove a bit difficult

I also found the following

Marriage
SMITH John Peter = BEATTIE Emma
1862  Reg No  2264

Births
SMITH John Edward
Father John Peter  Mother  Emma BEATTIE
Birth Place  MELBOURNE  Year: 1861  Reg No   12348

SMITH Florence Mary
Father   John Peter  Mother Emma BEATTIE
Birth Place  Prahran  Year1863 Reg No 3652

SMITH William
Father  John Peter Mother  Emma BEATTIE
Birth Place Prahran  Year 1864  Reg No 24126

SMITH George
Father John Peter Mother Emma BEATTIE
Birth Place  Prahran  Year 1866 Reg No 23429

SMITH Charles Henry
Father John Peter  Mother Emma BEATTIE
Birth Place Prahran  Year 1868 Reg No  4780

SMITH Thomas Frederick
Father John Peter MotherEmma BEATTIE
Birth Place  Prahran Year 1869 Reg No 17953

SMITH Edward
Father John Peter Mother Emma BEATTIE
Birth Place  Prahran  Year 1872 Reg No  4725

SMITH Francis Bertram
Father John Peter Mother Emma BEATTIE
Birth Place Prahran  Year 1873 Reg No 19132

Cheers
cando

 

[cando]

It looks like Emma arrived as an assisted emigrant in 1860
BEATTIE   EMMA   20   MAY   1860   ATALANTA   13A   68
and this one could be a possiblity [born 1832]
SMITH   JOHN   28   NOV   1860   EMPRESS OF THE SEA   B   183   005


And a little more - this could be him - chn born in Prahran and he died in South Yarra.

Melbourne Directory 1865  [Sands & McDougall]
SMITH J P  Commercial Road   Prahran

Melbourne Directory 1884 [Sands & McDougall]
SMITH John P  10 Osborne Street, South Yarra

Melbourne Directory 1892 [Sands & McDougall]
SMITH John P  64 Osborne Street, South Yarra

Cando

Edit - shipping info

[sparrett]

Good finding Cando.

there might be afew John Smiths out there, but you've nailed him.

I wonder whether he had a lovely little hat shop in Chapel Street or Commercial Road.

This was one of  early Melbourne's areas which grew quickly as a shopping and commerce region, as early as the 50's on the back of the gold findings in Victoria.  The Prahran market in Commercial Rd. opened there in the early 80's but there had been centralised shoppping and bartering in the area decades before then.

Sue

[cando]

Now some deaths

SMITH Florence Mary
Father John Peter Mother  Emma BEATTIE
Age: 3 Birth Place Prahran
Death Place Not noted
Year 1866 Reg No 11633

SMITH John Edward
Father John Peter Mother Emma BEATTIE
Age 5     Birth Place Carlton
Death Place  Not noted
Year 1866 Reg No 8885

SMITH George
Father John Peter Mother Emma BEATTIE
Age 5 Months  Birth Place Prahran
Death Place  Not noted
Year 1867 Reg No 3229

SMITH Francis Bertram
Father John Peter Mother: Emma BEATTIE
Age 8 Months  Birth Place Prahran
Death Place Not noted
Year1874 Reg No 2707

SMITH Edward
Father John Peter Mother Emma BEATTIE
Age 2 Birth Place Prahran
Death Place  Not noted
Year 1874 Reg No 2715

SMITH  Charles Henry
Father John Peter Mother Emma BEATTIE
Age: 16
Death Place Unknown
Year 1883 Reg No 12710

I noticed a death with parents John Peter SMITH and Maria SCHULTZ at South Yarra and found the following marriage - could be a 2nd marriage for John

SMITH  John Peter   Birth Place LONDON
SCHULZ Maria     Birth Place  GEELONG
Year 1881 Reg No 2651

just may be Emma's death - closest name to BEATTIE I could see

SMITH Emma
Father Neat Unknown Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
Age 42
Birth Place Londo  Death Place  Not noted
Year 1878 Reg No 1123
Edit. I doubt if this registration is Emma BEATTIE  - Emma's emigration record states she was 20 years of age in 1860 ie b. 1840


Will look for some births to this second marriage - post getting a little long

cando

[cando]

Thank you Sue - fortunately Emma's surname has been a help.  I thought along the same lines about his occupation.

Now for some births to what I think may be his 2nd marriage

SMITH Robert
Father John Peter Mother Maria SCHULTZ
Birth Place Melbourne
Year1882 Reg No 19185

SMITH Richard Henry
Father John Peter Mother Maria SCHULTZE
Birth Place Melbourne
Year 1884 Reg No 20616

SMITH Ethel Mary
Father John Peter Mother Maria SCHULTZE
Birth Place Melbourne
Year1886
Reg No 29725

SMITH  Elsie May
Father John Peter Mother Maria SCHULTZ
Birth Place South Yarra
Year 1888 Reg No 33473

and death

SMITH Alice
Father John Peter Mother Maria SCHULTZ
Age 23 Months
Death Place South Yarra
Year 1881 Reg No 2908R

her birth registered under SCHULTZE

SCHULZE Alice Mary
Father: U Mother Maria SCHULZE
Birth Place Melbourne
Year 1879 Reg No 5607

and another birth registered with mother Maria

SHULZE Adelaide Florence
Father Unknown Mother Maria Elizabeth SHULZE
Birth Place Carlton
Year  1877 Reg No: 1267

Adelaide's death reg names John Peter SMITH as her father. 

Cheers
cando

[tropicalj]

hello there
death

MARIA SMITH in 1925  died aged 67 at Pran reg no 6977

father Julius Schulze mother   Adelaide Blackmore

birth for
Maria Elizabeth Schulze in 1858 at Conewarre reg no 2843
father Julius Schulze mother Adelaide Blackmore.

parents marriage was in 1856 reg no 3920


now some deaths for some of the second marriage children of Maria (eliz) Schultz

Edward Smith   died 1949 aged 70 at Mel reg no 2931 (but cannot find a  birth to  match  with  him  in 1877c)

Irene Beatrice Smith  ded in 1949 aged 51 at Wsor reg no 11641

Elsie May Roberts died in 1933 aged 44 at East Malvern reg no 3830

regards Jenn

[eveder]

Greetings cando, sparrett and tropicalj
                                                              that's fantastic the speed of reply was such that it's as though you were sitting waiting for the question. You weren't were you? Your help is even now on it's way to other family members [who didn't know about www.RootsChat.com] in Canada and New Zealand. It is going to take a little time to sort it all out but for now THANK YOU VERY MUCH ..........................eveder

[Anne S]

Dear All

I am the Canadian Smith relation.  All of this information on the Australian leg of the family is fantastic.  I have posted questions to this site before about other surnames in my family and have never received such a response.  I always assumed finding a "Smith" would be worse than finding a needle in a haystack.
Thank you