1881 cornwall census MATTHEWS

[suey]

Sorry maki I didn't make myself clear, what I meant was are Priscilla aged 11 and John S aged 8 who are both in Madron W/hse brother and sister and therefore both children of Priscilla Matthews b c1853?

Had a look at the Madron PR's but could'nt see John

Suey

[heywood]

Hi maki, hi Tony

Just got a quick look at the 1891...

She is Precilla James age 38 on the image, husband Alexander James, and two sons an Ivan Matthews? stepson and a George James son 
Suey

1901 has Priscilla with son  John 25 yrs so perhaps Ivan was a misread by enumerator (age is out too though). She is a widow and  has other children in 1901 too.

[heywood]

there is also a death on Free BMD - 1890 Priscilla Matthews 19 yrs Penzance vol 5c pg 178

[toni*]

re the marriage was Alexander married previous ?

either to a Priscilla or to a person who was perhaps ill in the workhouse (on medical grounds) or in the lunatic asylum either way they waited until she had passed over until they married.


(there is a lot of assuming there and things would def. need to be chekced throughly to confirmthis.)

[suey]

re the marriage was Alexander married previous ?

either to a Priscilla or to a person who was perhaps ill in the workhouse (on medical grounds) or in the lunatic asylum either way they waited until she had passed over until they married.


(there is a lot of assuming there and things would def. need to be chekced throughly to confirmthis.)

Toni is correct Alexander James first married 1883 to either Emma Jane Biddick or Mary Richards -


Suey

Couldn't find him in 1881 though.........

Suey

[toni*]

didn't see that Suey!   

not Priscilla though so that can't be her mistaken for the first wife on the census.


i wonder where the first wife was. or had she died   

[heywood]

1861 RG9; Piece: 1592; Folio: 82; Page: 7
Alexander James 17 yrs builder mason b Paul (civil parish St Paul, Newlyn).

1871 RG10; Piece: 2338; Folio: 46; Page: 1
Alexander James 27 yrs carrier b Paul
Eliza James 30 yrs wife b Paul

Free BMD June 1863 Penzance vol 5c pg 510
Alexander James and Eliza Pollard

lots of deaths but ages not right except
Dec 1879 Eliza James 48 yrs Penzance

The 1883 marriage is Redruth - there is a likely couple- Alexander and Mary - pehaps she is Mary Richards that Suey found.

1891 Alexander is a mason again - Priscilla is a widow by 1901.

As people have said- no trace of him in 1881. I have searched all sorts of combinations.

heywood

[maki]

Had thought he had been married before. Have ELIZA JAMES burial  on 23 MAY 1893 AGE 53 (seems to fit).

Some of the children according to 1901 census are born before ELIZA died and before ALEXANDER & PRICSILLA were married, but we are told their parents were ALEXANDER & PRESCILLA,anyone with any ideas?

thanks maki

[heywood]

I can't find her in 1871 but you have her there so it looks as though she had Priscilla and John in the workhouse.
Priscilla Jane is baptised (Family Search) with only Priscilla snr as a parent.
Madron Parish Records have John Edgar - mother Priscilla. (spinster)

I haven't spotted a baptism for George but there is a Free BMD birth record which I wonder if it's him:
Sep 1889 George Matthews James.
So presumably the children from George on belong to Alexander. It looks as though they chose to live together for whatever reasons before they married.
Their birth certificates would confirm this if you needed it.
heywood