Look up please, William Thomas Morris - Llanfyllin

[davidhs]

I'm new to this so I'm not sure if this is possible.

My g grandfather, William Thomas Morris was married in Llanfyllin, 3 Sept 1897  to Jemima Evans ( Jul, Aug, Sept - fol 11b page 818). On the marriage cert his age is 23, his father is William Morris (Deceased) 

I can't seem to find him on any census and I'm trying to find his d.o.b. and parents. Can anyone help please?

Many thanks
David

[Peterej]

Hi David

There is a William T Morris (about the right age) in the 1881 census born Welshpool (11 1/2 miles from Llanfyllin) with father Morgan and mother Mary. Have you seen this?
There is a marriage in Llanfyllin between Morgan Morris and a Mary Twist in June 1871 11b 375 which is about correct.
The family is also there in 1891 inc William but his second initial is G.
I know that doesn't square with the marriage cert and have looked for a death  for Morgan but the only one in the period is in 1899 with age 84 at death. There are possibles for William however.
There is a birth for a Morgan in Montgomery that fits and of course plenty for William.
Was William junior living at home when he married - maybe the address is the same. What was father's occupation - maybe that fits.
If they are the correct family it may mean checking the Parish registers to check on births for father and son and the possible marriage.
Hope it makes some sense.

Peter

[davidhs]

Hi Peter

Thanks for responding so promptly.

I don't think this is the same William Morris. William jnr. is down on the marriage cert as a farm labourer, William senior (deceased) is entered as a farmer.

The key fact which I did not mention before is that it was a Wesleyan Methodist marriage which took place in the district of Llanfyllin but at Sion Chapel, Llanrhaiadr in the counties of Denbigh and Montgomery.

His address is Tynyclawdd or Tyrclawdd or Tynydawdd or Tynydawdd, Llanrhaiadr-Yr-Mochnant.

The other bit of information is that it was signed in the presence of John Evan Morris who could be an uncle or better still a brother so may well be sharing a residence at some time.

Thanks again

David

[Peterej]

David

In 1881 there is a William Morris born Pennant 1872 son of William , Farmer, and with a brother John Evan. This shows in an Ancestry search and also in familysearch.org

Have a look and let me know what you think. It looks ok and if so and you do not have access to Ancestry I will look for them in 1891 and 1901

Let me know

Peter

[davidhs]

Hi Peter

Yes I'm sure this is the one, thanks very much.

I did a Google map search and came up with :Pennant, Llangedwyn and Pennant, Llangynog, there is also a Pennant-Melangell which is near Llangynog. It seems to be a very common name, I have a relation in that area with a house name of Rhos Pennant.

I don't have access to Ancestry so I would be very grateful if you could look for them in 1891 and 1901.

Thanks

David

[Peterej]

Hi David

not sure about 1891 - a possible as a servant on a farm.

However in 1901 he was married to Jemimah and living at 37 Chapel St Rhosllanerchrugog Nr Wrexham and working as a coal miner. On this occasion born in Llanfyllin and aged 28.
Jemimah born Llanrhaiadr, Denbs aged 24 - Mary E aged 3 b. Llanrhaiadr and William T age 2 born Llanfechan, Mont.

Peter

[davidhs]

Hi Peter

That's great, I've discovered William T's age, although I'm surprised my grandmother Elizabeth Winifred who was born 24 Feb 1901 wasn't listed.

I've also discovered William Thomas' parents names and his brothers and sister.

Did you try looking for William snr, Elizabeth or John Evan in the 91 census?

Many thanks

David

[welsh lady]

Going from the 1881 Peter found heres same family in 1891 and 1901 living at Tyn Y Clawdd address on marriage cert so its the correct family .Have put up 1881 as well to show its the same family

1881
Llanrhaiadr yn Mochant,Llanfyllin,Mont
RG11 piece 5499 Folio 89 page 3

William,Morris,Head,36,Farmer,Llanrhaiadr,Mont
Elizabeth Morris,Wife,34,Llanrhaiadr
Elizabeth Morris,Dau,10,Llanrhaiadr
William Morris,Son,9,Pennant,Mont
John Evan Morris,Son,Pennant,Mont
Henry Morris,Son,2,Llanfyllin,Mont

1891(RG12 Piece 4602,Folio 76 Page 10)
Tyn Y Clawdd,Llanrhaiadr,Llanfyllin,Mont

William Morris,Head,47,Farmer,Llanrhaiadr,Mont
Elizabeth Morris,47,Llanrhaiadr,Mont
Elizabeth Morris,Dau,19,Llanrhaiadr,Mont
Henry Morris,Son,12,Llanfyllin,Mont

1901(RG13 Piece 5206 Folio 58 Page 6)
Tyn Y Clawdd,Llanrhaiadr,Llanfyllin,Mont

Elizabeth Morris,Head,Widow,55,Farmer,Llanrhaiadr,Mont
John E Morris,Son,26,Llanrhaiadr,Mont
Henry Morris,Son,22,Llanfyllin,Mont

Peters found you William (jnr) and wife in 1901 in previous message

Welsh Lady

[welsh lady]

David,Elizabeth W Morris age 2 months born Rhos Denbighshire is with the family Peter found  in 1901.

Welsh Lady