Elusive g-g-grandfather

[Cas (stallc)]

RG13; Piece: 2105; Folio: 116; Page: 5 & 6
Royal Marine Barracks East Stonehouse Devon

Theophilus Jones 37  sgt ? Llanfiangel Carms
Elizabeth Jane Jones 41 wife Devon Broadwoodwidger
Walter Jones 10 son, Devon Stonehouse
Esther Mary Jones 5 dau,  Devon Stonehouse

next page 6
Ida Louise Jones 2, dau, Devon Stonehouse
Henrietta Street, Guest, single, dressmaker (worker at home) Devon Stonehouse

Cas

[Ayashi]

Thank you ever so much! 

Now I've just got to wait for this guy to come back and untangle the mess of Hamleys, rofl.

[Cas (stallc)]

Happy Ayashi....don't want to spoil your 'find'....I am sure this contact has well researched info 

BUT don't treat it as gospel until you know it is proven via census, certs or extracted records etc, half the fun is checking things out for yourself, and KNOWING what you have found is right, and you can prove it 

Have a ball........good luck with the chase

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

As you have no access to the census...this is how the family looks to me.  I think it more than very likely Charlotte is/was the mother of Eliz. Hamley snr, and that very possible Charlotte is a Northcott...although I stand to be corrected at any time    This is info from the census....IGI, freebmd, although all needs to be confirmed with BMD certs or Parish records.

Likely marriage on IGI  (extracted record)  11 DEC 1833   Ashwater, Devon, Charlotte Northcott - Richard Hamley

1841 -  HO107; Piece 232; Book: 11
Bicklake  Civil Parish: Lifton
Reg district: Tavistock 
 
All born in the county of Devon

Richard Hambley 35 farmer
Charlott Hambley 25
Richard Hambley 7
Elizabeth Hambley 5 
John Hambley 3 
William Northcott 15, MS (male serv)
Jane Phillips 15, FS (female serv)
 
Also next household up has Mary Northcott 15, FS.  **Ages in 1841 census nearly always rounded down to the nearest 5, age 15 and over.

1851 - HO107; Piece: 1884; Folio: 265; Page: 2
Bicklake Farm Civil Parish: Lifton  Devon
Registration district: Tavistock 

Richard Hambley 36 56 ? farmer of 30 acre employing 1 lab Broadwood Devon
Charlott wife 37, Broadwood
Richard Hambley 16  farmers son employed on farm, Lipton
Elizabeth Hambley 14  farmers dau employed at home, Lipton
John Hambley 12,  Lipton
Thomas Hambley 7,  Lipton

Any one of the certs below will hopefully give you maiden name of Charlotte.  A  ref check for fathers' name on GRO will likely bring up the correct cert.  Or at local office where birth was registered they will not charge if they cannot find correct one. (Devon)

Births Dec 1838  HAMLEY  John   Tavistock  9 451
Births Jun 1840  Hamley  John     Tavistock  9 446
Births Mar 1844   HAMLEY  Thomas     Tavistock  9 541

1861 - RG9; Piece: 1519; Folio: 37; Page: 2
Civil Parish: Broadwood Widger 
Reg district: Launceston 

Richard Hamly 64   head, mar, farmer of 90 acres, Broadwoodwidger
Charlotte Hamly 46  wife  Devon Virginstow
Elizabeth Hamly 24  dau, Lifton
John Hamly 22  son, "
Thomas Hamly 17  son, "
Elizh Jane Uglow Hamly 2  dau, Broadwood Widger, Devon
Jabez Dingle 17, serv, carter,  Devon ?

***Births Jun 1859   HAMLEY  Elizabeth Jane Uglow    Launceston  5c 25

1871 - RG10; Piece: 2223; Folio: 58; Page: 3
Milford, Civil Parish: Tremaine,  Cornwall
Reg district: Launceston

Thomas Hambey 24  head, unmar, farmer of 98 acres Lifton, Devon
Charlotte Hambey 57  Mother, widow, Virginstow, Devon
Elizabeth Hambey 32  sister, unmar, dom serv, Lifton, Devon
Elizabeth Hambey 12  Niece scholar, Broadwood Widger, Devon
Mary Ann Robins 10 mths  Niece Tremayne, Cornwall
John Hambley 5  Nephew, visiting, Devon Lifton
John Coombe 19 serv, unmar, farm lab indoors, Tremayne, Cornwall

***Cannot locate a marriage for Eliz Hamley snr to Mr Robins/Robbins - did they marry?

1881 - RG11; Piece: 2277; Folio: 27; Page: 47 
Race Hill, Parish St Mary Magdalene,  Cornwall
Reg district: Launceston 

Elizabeth A. Robbins 42 head, mar, farmers wife, Devon, Lifton
Elizabeth J. Robbins 22 dau, gen serv domestic,  Devon Lifton (AKA...Eliz. Jane Uglow Hamley)
Mary A. Robbins 11  dau, Launceston, Cornwall
Margaret Robbins 7  dau, Launceston Cornwall
John H. Robbins 3, son,  Launceston Cornwall

1891 - RG12; Piece: 1804; Folio 24; Page 42
3 Kensey View, Town: Launceston  Parish: St Mary Magdalene  Cornwall

Elizabeth Robbins 52 head, mar, laundress, devon Lifton
John Robbins 12  scholar, Launceston Cornwall
Richard Edwards 25  son in law Bodmin Cornwall
Mary A Robbins Edwards 20  dau, Cornwall, Carmworthy ?
Harold Edwards 1 grandson Launceston
Charles Walker 7  boarder Launceston

1901 RG13; Piece: 2088; Folio: 13; Page: 3 - Devon
Charles Walker 16 born Launceston is with Eldest brother Richards' family  (from 1841)  down as waggoner on farm. 

Could not find a birth for Charles Walker in reg district but came up with this...so both Walkers' were born/registered Launceston....the plot thickens 

Births Jun 1884  Hamley  Charles     Launceston  5c 27


Cas

[Ayashi]

 

So there was a son called Richard as well? Well that makes more sense! It's perfectly possible for a woman to marry a man and her brother to go with his sister... It happened in another branch of the family. Margaret might have been Richard Jr's wife.

Yes, Elizabeth did marry William Robbins the year before, according to my source 

I'm not taking it as gospel... although I'd like to. I'm more inclined to believe it if I can make sense of it! There were some inconsistancies between the two finds and your brilliant research might have patched up a few holes.

Another Walker? Oooooh 

But where is William Robbins in 1881? Gone walkabouts, I see  He definitely fits into the family 

[Cas (stallc)]

Interesting family....

1n 1901 Eliz senior is still in same place household, although her husband is not with her on any census 

1901 - RG13; Piece: 2183; Folio: 48; Page: 29
Kensey View, Launceston St Mary Magdalene  Cornwall 

Elizabeth Robbins 63  head, mar, Launderess (wash) Lifton
Margaret Robbins 25  s, gen lab (not domestic) Launceston
John H Robbins 22 s,  son carter on farm, Launceston

Also in 1901 same area a possible Annie Walker ?

RG13; Piece: 2183; Folio: 27; Page: 45
Launceston St Mary Magdalene  Cornwall 

Household of Dennis family

Annie Hambley 18 gen serv domestic, North Petherwin, Devon (this is still same area very near Launceston)

Will see if I can find Mr Robbins...also check who Richard jnr married....

Cas

[Ayashi]

"BUT the 1871 census has Elizabeth's surname wrong as she has married
William Robbins 3rd q 1870 in Launceston."

Ooh Cas! Annie Hambly? Don't you just wish that you could time travel and then you could go back and ask these people? 

[Cas (stallc)]

Marriages Jun 1860  (same page)
 
Hamley  Richard    Plymouth  5b 475   
Uglow  Margaret Ann     Plymouth  5b 475

Same wife as in 1901 census - Margaret A

*******

Found the marriage for Eliz senior...

Marriages Sep 1870   
 
Hamley  Elizabeth    Launceston  5c 37   
Robbins  William     Launceston  5c 37

[Cas (stallc)]

Yes! time travel would be great.... and a lot less expensive!

Only likely Will Robbins, same area,  I can find at the mo is already married to a 'Louisa' 

Any other points with the research you wanna try and sort with census, or your cup overfloweth at the mo? 

Cas