Elusive g-g-grandfather

[Cas (stallc)]

The children of Richard & Margret would share exact same group  of grandparents as Eliz jane, also she would be niece to both parties.

Richard took over this farm from his father, must have been pre 1859 as Eliz Jane was born Broadwood, this is where he was born and the family lived in 1841 - 1851 census
Next up on census is Carly farm with William Uglow (wid) and family, as mentioned there are a few sons which could possibly have fathered Eliz Jane

1861 - RG9; Piece: 1464; Folio: 60; Page: 1
Bicklake Farm, Lifton, Devon 
Reg district: Tavistock 

Richard Hamley 26  head, m, farmer 40 acres, Bicklake Devon
Margrett Hamley 25
William T Hamley 7Mths  Bicklake Devon

1871 - RG10; Piece: 2149; Folio: 65; Page: 3
Carly Farm, Parish: Lifton, Devon 
Reg district: Tavistock

William Uglow 76 head, wid, farmer 105? acres employing 5 men Tintagel Devon
John Uglow 45  son, unmar, Cornwall Egloskerry
Margarit Hamley 34 dau, mar, Cornwall Egloskerry
William Hamley 10 son, Lifton, Devon
Mary Jane Hamley 7  dau, Lifton, Devon
Next page 4
Ernest Hamley 4 son, Cornwall Lezant
Edwin Hamley 2  son, Cornwall Lezant
Eli Broom 18  serv
John Green 14  serv
John Gysin 13  serv
Ann Bickle 19 serv

Not sure where Richard is ?  Next farm down to this is Bicklake, as mentioned, but now unoccupied. Their son 'John' is visting with uncle Thomas in 1871
 
1881 - RG11; Piece: 2221; Folio: 33; Page: 2
Riscombe, Lifton  Devon 
Reg district: Tavistock 

Richard Hamley 46 head, m, farmer, Lifton, Devon
Margraret Ann Hamley 45 Cornwall Egloskerry
William Thomas Hamley 20 son, Lifton, Devon
Margaret Hamley 16 dau, Lifton, Devon
John Hamley 15, son,  Lifton, Devon
Richard Ernest Hamley 13, Cornwall Lezant
Edwin Uglow Hamley 11 Lifton, Devon
Louisa Hamley 8, Devon Broadwood
Elizabeth Kate Hamley 7  Lifton, Devon

1891 - RG12; Piece: 1752; Folio 69; Page 7
Downshears ? Farm, Town: Lee Mill, Parish: Lewtrenchard  Devon,   
Reg district: Tavistock 

Richard Hamley 56 head, m, farmer Lifton, Devon
Margaret Hamley 55 wife, Cornwall Egloskerry
William Hamley 30 son, Lifton Devon
Edwin Hamley 21  son, Lifton, Devon
Louisa Hamley 18  dau, Broadwood, Devon
Elizabeth Kate Hamley dau, 16  Lifton Devon

1901 - RG13; Piece: 2088; Folio: 13; Page: 3
Blaseton Farm, Parish: Tamerton Foliott  Devon
Reg district: Plympton St Mary 

Richard Hamley 66 head, m, farmer & employer Lifton, Devon
Margaret A Hamley 67  wife, Cornwall Egloskerry
Edwin H Hamley 31, son, s, farmers son, Lifton, Devon
Elizabeth K Hill 27 dau, m, Lifton, Devon
Francis E Friend 7. grandson, Taverstock, Devon
Reginald G Hill 4 months, grandson, Tamerton, Devon
Charles Walker 16  serv, waggoner on farm (ag horse) Lauceston, Devon
 
There is also a 'Peter' on GenesReunited who has Richard b.1835 Lifton, Devon in his tree.

Cas

[Ayashi]

I think my head is about to explode  I'll have to go back and process that lot and see where my bewildered brain has ended up 

Yes, confirmation that Margaret Ann UGLOW married Richard HAMLEY jr. I have Margaret's siblings, parents and grandparents now and if her brother is the father, I've got his details too.

When I've scratched some money together, I'm going to go for Theo/Elizabeth's marriage certificate that should (pretty please!) give me both their fathers. Then I can pursue Theo's line. I might see if I can get onto GenesReunited or otherwise research the HAMLEY line (I think I'll google it like I did Trewartha!) and see if I can match up anything.

Thank you most sincerely! 

[Ayashi]

Cas, thank you ecstatically very much 

I'm now thinking of getting Theo's marriage certificate, along with Annie's birth certificate and Charles Hamley/Walker's birth certificate, just in case.

Until then, I'm now scouring everything I can find for evidence of more children- There was a gap of 6 years between two of the Jones children and I wondered if one or more children was born between 1890 and 1896 but either died or wasn't on the next census. I wonder... 

[Cas (stallc)]

I think you will always wonder if you don't get those certs..........

You could try post on the Devon board...for marriage and baptisms, some have parish records for the area....many are put off by the surname 'Jones', but with Theo as dad you may get some info?

You could see if there is extended info for other members also?

Or there are the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) for Devon and Cornwall which are free...google for info.

Let me know....About Annie & Charles if you do get them...

Best wishes

Cas 

[Ayashi]

Do you know, I didn't even think of that? 

I've just got a letter from one of my relatives, so I think the Richards/Hillier side is looking up!  She sent me an email but it got lost in the ether somewhere. She's going to send it again...

By the way... What is the niece of my great-grandmother called?  I've just stuck with 'great aunt'. It's probably near enough...

Just looking on the Ancestry site (the free bits  ) and have several possibilities already. One of them has my exact name! That made me laugh. Will pursue 

[Cas (stallc)]

Just checked, there are a few relationship charts - just type into google

Happy hunting....

Good luck with the Devon board 

Cas 

[Ayashi]

Cas! I just got into Theo's census aged 7. His father has the same name as his son, and his sister has the same name as his daughter, as does his wife and mother! If it's not him, I'm a trained monkey!

[deb usa]

Hi Lovely people ..

It's me , Deb ...from the Devon boards LOL 

I have read through everything on this thread and then had to reread 

Can someone give me a quick run down as to who Theophilus Jones' father, grandfather, g grandad etc were ....

I am searching national archives  and there are a few Theophilus Jones who seemed to be really high up in the Navy ...

off to reread again ...

deb

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi deb 

Here is the link to what Ayashi posted on the forces board.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,277351.0.html

Know what a wiz you are at NA online, his service record must be there?  I am usless in this area 

The possibles for parents are Walter & Elizabeth Jones in 1871 census, but marriage cert is needed to confirm. Grandparents etc.... at this date not known.

Cas