HARRIS, SHERRATT, East Anglia

[Nightmare]

Hi Grayuast,

   I have a reasonably large data base & it does take some time looking at the different family tree views depending upon which person you start from. You may appreciate with all this inter family marrying it can be quite an eye full to observe & absorb.

   I later realised the following after sending yesterdays post, the following information which may be of interest to you in our Gray family jigsaw & movements.

Charles & Aquila (nee Smith) Grays son John Gray relocated to Brandon, Suffolk.  Another son of Charles & Aquila, Riley Gray had a son named Founness Gray & some of his children also relocate to Suffolk. This all the information of have for  John & Margaret at this stage.


John Gray, b. 1798 in Cambridgeshire, England, christened 19 Apr 1798 in Isleham, Cambridge, England.  He married Margaret Richardson, married 1821 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, b. C. 1801 in Bramber, Suffolk, England.

I.   Mary Ann Gray, b. 1822 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, christened 12 May 1822 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.

II.   Patrick Gray, b. 17 Aug 1823 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, christened 14 Sep 1823 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.

III.   Susan Gray, b. 13 Mar 1826 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, christened 21 May 1826 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.

IV.   John Gray, b. 1827.

V.   Selena Gray, b. 1831 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, christened 1 May 1831 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.

VI.   David Gray, b. 1834.

VII.   Moses Gray, b. 1836.

VIII.   Frances (Fanny) Gray, b. 1838 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.



This is a brief family outline for Riley & Margaret Grays family

Riley Gray, b. 1789 in Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, England.  He married (1) Lydia Sly, married 10 May 1809 in Isleham, Cambridge, England, b. 1790 in Barrington, Cambridgshire, England, (daughter of James Sly and Sophia Gray) christened 14 Mar 1790 in Barrington, Cambridgshire, England.  He married (2) Sarah, b. C. 1787 in Basington, Hertfordshire, England.

I.   Founness Gray, (son of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1807 in Isleham, Cambridge, England, christened 6 Jan 1811 in Isleham, Cambridge, England.  He married Constania Smith, married C. 1830, b. 1807.

   A.   Founess Gray, b. 1833 in Suffolk,England, christened 19 May 1833 in Cowlinge, Suffolk, England.

   B.   William Gray, b. 1835.

   C.   Lazarus Gray, b. 1838.

   D.   Miranda Gray, b. 1839.  She married Abraham Smith, married 27 Jun 1862 in Saint John The Evangelist, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk, England, b. C. 1835.

   E.   Bathsheba Gray, b. 1843 in Suffolk,England, christened 5 Nov 1843 in Woolpit, Suffolk, England.

   F.   Christopher Gray.

   G.   Meshack Gray.

   H.   Shadrack Gray, b. 1850 in Suffolk,England, christened 11 Feb 1850 in Saint John The Evangelist, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk, England.

   I.   Abednego Gary.

   J.   Laurence Gray, b. 1852 in Suffolk,England, christened 2 Mar 1852 in Saint John The Evangelist, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk, England.

   K.   Abraham Gray.

II.   Riley Gray, (son of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1812 in Isleham, Cambridge, England, d. 13 Nov 1814.

III.   Edward Gray, (son of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1812, d. 1813.

IV.   Sophia Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1815 in Cambridgeshire, England, christened 12 Nov 1815 in Stow Cum Quay, Cambridge, England, d. Mar 1818.

V.   Mahala Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly).

VI.   Riley Gray, (son of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly). He married Harriet Steadman, married 1 Oct 1844 in Offham, Kent, England.

VII.   Lydia Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1822 in Cambridge, England, christened 1822 in Shefferidge near Royston, Hertfordshire, England.  She married John Brand, married 1842 in Ely, Cambridge, England, b. 1809 in Isle Of Ely, Cambridge, England.

   A.   Job Brand, b. 1843 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England, christened 12 Feb 1843 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

   B.   Esther Brand, b. 1845 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

   C.   John Brand, b. 1847 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

   D.   Lawrence Brand, b. 1850 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.  He married Mary Ann Stacey, married 1871 in Kings Lynn, Cambridgeshire, England.

   E.   Easter Brand, b. 1859 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England, christened 14 Jun 1859 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

VIII.   Nancy Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1832 in Cambridge, England, christened 8 Apr 1832 in St Vigor, Fulbourn, Cambridge, England.

IX.   Sarah Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Sarah) b. 1835 in Wilberham, Cambridgeshire, England, christened 2 May 1835 in St Vigor, Fulbourn, Cambridge, England, d. 1 May 1920.

X.   Esther Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Sarah) b. 1846 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

 
Another son of  Charles & Aquila Gray named Abraham Gray, b. 1786, married in 1806, Isleham, Cambridge, a Mary Gammon, b. 1787 Isleham, Cambridge. She was the daughter of Joseph & Jesse (nee Talbot) Gammon. As a curio, I have from Isleham, Cambridge other marriages between the Leighton & Gammon families but as yet to connect them.

Nightmare

[Grayaust]

Dear Nightmare

Sorry it has been so long.  You have provided a lot of info to digest.  Searching through some Cambridge Family History Society fiche for Gamlingay I have located the records you have mentioned previously for John & Mary Gray (christenings for Robert, Paty and John Gray).  All records indicate John was a bricklayer.

However, I have also found a death record for a "Robart Gray", son of Mary and John Gray (bricklayer) (I presume the "Robart" is actually "Robert") with a burial date of 26 Nov 1776.  Kind of suggests that maybe this is not the family link for the Robert Gray that married Mary Leighton.  Back to the drawing board!

Also, the fiche records note that Paty Gray was born sometime during 1774.  As such, I wonder if whilst Robert and Paty were christened on the same day but were born on different dates.

You probably have this info, but just in case I have also found a burial entry on 19 Nov 1793 for Ellin Gray, dau of Zackeriah (bricklayer) and Barbory.  I suspect that this may well be the Elling Gray (dau of Zacharias and Barbara) christened 15 Jan 1792.

Finally, I have found a burial record for 26 Nov 1782 for an Elizabeth Gray, wife of John (bricklayer).  Any idea where she fits in??

Grayaust

[Nightmare]

Hi Grayaust,

   I agree that John & Mary Gray aren’t the parents of our Robert Gray. I do though tend to strongly speculate that they are blood relatives of ours somewhere, some how. I have several other Grays that I feel are also connected with this family but I’m struggling to find the links at present. Here’s where I’m up to with this branch of the Gray family which in part overlaps & concurs with your research also. 


Robert Gray, b. C. 1680 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.

   He married Mary.

I.   George Gray, b. 1703 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 16 Jun 1703 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.

II.   Zacrias Gray, b. 1716 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 1 Jan 1716 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.
   
   He married Sarah.
   
   A.   Sarah Gray, b. 1739 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 30 Sep 1739 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.

   B.   John Gray, b. 1743 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 4 Sep 1743 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.
      
      He married Mary.
      
      1.   Zackariah Gray, b. 1770 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 11 Nov 1770 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.
         
         He married Barbara Ward, married 7 Mar 1791 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, b. C. 1770.
         
         a.   Elling Gray, b. 1792 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 15 Jan 1792 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, d. 1793 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.

         b.   Frances Gray, b. 1794 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 9 Nov 1794 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.

         c.   Zachariah Gray, b. 1797 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 3 May 1797 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.

      2.   Robert Gray, b. 1775 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 8 Oct 1775 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, d. 1776 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, buried 26 Nov 1776.

      3.   Paty Gray, b. 1775 in Cambridgeshire, England, christened 8 Oct 1775 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.

      4.   John Gray, b. 1780 in Cambridgeshire, England, christened 19 Jan 1780 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England.

   C.   Jane Gray, b. 1746 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, christened 31 Mar 1746 in Gamlingay, Cambridge, England, d. 29 Dec 1749.

   Robart was quite a common spelling variation Robert as is Barbory/Barbara & Elling/Ellen.

Regarding John & Elizabeth Gray, I presume that is her married name though many Grays of the same vast family have intermarried amongst themselves.

Regarding Elizabeth Gray, buried 26 November 1782.  I have a John Gray b. 1640, Gamlingay, christened 16 May 1641, Gamlingay, d. 19 April 1719 Gamlingay & buried 24 April 1719, Gamlingay. This John Gray from my research married 15 April 1672, Gamlingay, Elizabeth (Wallis) Walles. John Grays father was also named John Gray but I haven’t been able to find out the mothers name. I don’t have a death date for this Elizabeth Gray but this couple fits the time zone you mention.

   So far I have found only 3 children associated with them..
John Gray,
Mary Gray who was buried 11 July 1749, Gamlingay.
Robert Gray  christened 25 July 1678, Gamlingay.
 
   I’m of the opinion that our Robert Gray’s ancestors were settled in the Isleham locality of Cambridgeshire for several generations at least before he was born. The Grays are numerous in Isleham, prior to his birth being found for more than a 100 years before his birth there.

   Nightmare

[clave]

   
Children of TRINITY HARRIS and MARY ? are:
   i.   WILLIAM2 HARRIS, b. Abt. 1854, East Dereham.
2.   ii.   GEORGE HARRIS, b. Bet. 1854 - 1856, Ely, Cambridgeshire; d. Abt. Dec 1896, Mitford 4b 181.
3.   iii.   JOHN HARRIS, b. Abt. Mar 1859, Watton, Norfolk; d. Bef. 1916.
   iv.   CHARLES HARRIS, b. Abt. Feb 1861, Carbrooke, Norfolk.
Baptised: 15 Mar 1861, St Peter & St Paul, Carbrooke, Norfolk

Hello , i've been desperately seeking my GG Gparents with no luck , but there are many similarities with people you have mentioned , any help or pointers would be greatfully received .
Agnes Wilson was born abt 1905 and married in Wayland Register office on 25 Aug 1926 to George Arthur Chapman born in Saham Toney .
We know from her marriage certificate that her parents were Hiram Wilson , a Hawker who was buried in Hockering in 1941 age 79 , thus born 1862 , and he was married to an Abigail ---- 1872 to 1946 , buried with him .
we havent been able to find these folk at all on the census , three possible Hiram's show up at various times but not of the right age or wife ,

Hiram , who we think was a traveller at some time , is known by the family to have other children to be bro's & sis's of Agnes - but very scarce on dates
Mark    - bn 1909 , married to Evelyn
Oswald
William -               had 2 kids by unknown partner
Bridy
Violet
Tilly

Also from the marriage cert' a witness was a P Harris , no other Harris' we know of so may be a friend of the wilson's or could this be Abigail's surname ? as we are very light on info about her .

[Harris in Essex]

Hi

I have a Harris/Buttris connection too.
My 5x gt grandfather Aaron Harris and wife Sarah have 4 known children
Elizabeth Harriss bap07/03.1790 Litlington Cambs
Ann Harriss bap 30/10/1791 Litlington Cambs
Moses Harriss bap 06/04/1794  "            "
Willaim Harriss bap 25/04/1802  "           "

Moses married Sarah Buttris 14/10/1816 at Haddenham Cambs

They had 2 known ch
Moses Harris c1832  who married Mary Ann Webb 23/02/1874 Stratford Essex
Benjamin bap 24/03/1839 Horseheath Litlington married unknown

Benjamin had 1 known son Parrimas Harris 1877 - 1877

Moses & Mary had 3 known children
Elizabeth Harris 1859 - 1889 - married Frederick Trout & partner Arthur Humphreys
Thomas Harris c 1867 - 1920 - Partner unknown
Parowmas Harris c1869 - 1923 - Maria Amos

Parowmas & Maria had 5 known ch

Moses 1889 - 1950
Maria 1893 - 1984
Parowmas 1896 - 1963
Louisa 1906 - 1997
Thomas 1910 - 1915

It sounds like they are connected to your Harris family

[Nightmare]

Hi,

[Nightmare]

Hi,

I have a lot of questions regarding the Wilson/Harris family(ies) of Cambridgeshire & Suffolk. I have alot of material I feel is being replicated in my own data owing to my confusion of
is this a different or the same Hiram Wilson with a different partner.
or is he a cousin, uncle or such of, & so on...... not to mention their lack of cocern for detail in census, marriage cert's, birth cert's etc.... & not just the two families mentioned above of which I have many Harris/Wilson marriages/partnerships but just about all of the other Gypsy families that are related to these two families many times over including several from my Gray family which has just as many of the same confusions.

I've struggled with the Harris/Wilson family for quite a while now compared to other families.

Nightmare

[clave]

Hi , yes we are still no further along either ,
 family knowledge has it the gray's are connected somewhere , and Hiram Wilson is the only possible link as everyone else was a farmer , also that he may have come from ireland at some point , with or before his wife we don't yet know ,

[donnachick]

hello i saw this fabulous link and had to say hello to you all i am the 4 x grt grandaugther of ambrose thorpe and levithan draper .  descendant of james thorpe and elizabeth buttriss im very confused with everything on here but am definatly going to wade through this whole link get info on my tree.. i believe i am a descendant of the foulk gray that is mantioned on here

hello again to you all look forward to hearing from you all i have very little info on my gray side of family have a bit more info on the thorpes .xx