Place name: Brickauger??

[Adrian Smith]

Sorry Jan,  I can't find her future husband [George Hemmens] in 81.

Here's the household in Edington in 91.

George Hemmens    55
Julia Hemmens    32
Amelia A Drewett     23
Walter F Hemmens    14
Mary A Hemmens    12
Elizabeth L Hemmens    11
Lillian Hemmens    6
Edith Hemmens    5
Ethel A Hemmens    3
Elsie Drewett    2
Charles W Hemmens    1

[janan]

Hi Adrian
Where was he born? I'll have a look - you never know another pair of eyes
Jan

[janan]

I can't see him anywhere either - in fact can only see him on the 1891 Have you found him on any other census?
Jan

OK I can see him in 41 and 51.

[trish251]

The gentleman concerned was a farm labourer so it's possible he was employed at Birchanger Farm.  I can't think of a way to prove it though.

I would agree with Jan - he was probably living in one of the cottages & I think the marriage record is part of the proof - the birth of one of the children of the marriage may confirm further.

The names on the 1891 image are slightly different as per above
1891 Village name Tinhead
George Hemmens head M 55 Ag lab Somerset Winchcombe
Julia do wife M 32 Wilts Tinhead
Walter H Drewett son 14 ag lab Wilts Tinhead
Mary A do daur 12 Wilts Finhead
Elizabeth S do daur 11 Wilts Westbury
Lillian Hemmens do daur 6 scholar Wilts Bratton
Edith do daur 5 scholar Wilts Edington
Ethel A do daur 3 Wilts Edington
Charles W do son 1 Wilts Tinhead
Amelia A Drewett Lodger S 23 Wilts Tinhead
Elcie Drewett do Lodger 2 mo Wilts Tinhead

Wilfred (Walter?) Mary Anne and Elizabeth are with Julia in 1881. The birth record for Lillian may be the best to find where the family were living after the marriage and I am still looking for George in 1881 

Was George listed as single or widower on the marriage certificate?

Trish

[Adrian Smith]

Hi Trish,

On the cert he is recorded as Widower but I have been unable to find details of the previous marriage 

Jan,

What details do you have for 41 and 51?

A little more detail.  The certificate shows him as 47 years in July 1884 which would give him a d.o.b of 1837 - it records his father as Charles, a shoe maker. 

For a long time I had thought this George was George Upshall Hemens b1835 Winscombe Somerset [from PRs] though I'm now sure that this is not the correct George as all sources cite William as the father, not Charles. [51 has him transcribed as George Harcus on Ancestry].

He's proving to be a bit of a headache!

Regards,

Adrian.

[janan]

it records his father as Charles, a shoe maker. 

For a long time I had thought this George was George Upshall Hemens b1835 Winscombe Somerset [from PRs] though I'm now sure that this is not the correct George as all sources cite William as the father, not Charles. [51 has him transcribed as George Harcus on Ancestry].

In that case I haven't found him in 41/51 as he is with father William! I'll keep looking
Jan

[janan]

Have you found Charles Hemmens shoemaker the likely father? He is on the 41/51 born c 1807 living in Winscombe with wife Elizabeth and children. They have a son Jacob the right age to be George. Jacob appears only in 41/51 as far as I can see. There is a death for Jacob Hemmens Westbury Mar qtr 1892 Vol5a Pg131 age 57. Do you have a definite death for George? If not wondering if he and Jacob are one and the same. Still don't know where George/Jacob are 61/71/81
Jan

[janan]

OK Adrian - in 61 and 81 there is a Jacob Hemmens Ag Lab of right age married to an Eliza - in 61 his birthplace is Woodberrow Somerset, there is a Woodborough a stones throw from Winscombe. By 81 they are in Bradford on Avon Wilts - about 6 miles or so north of  Westbury. There is a death for an Eliza Hemmens age 46 Sep qtr 1883 in Westbury! This has got to be more than coincidence - what do you think?
Jan

[Adrian Smith]

Jan,

I can't believe the amount of effort you have put into this - after all this only started out as a place name enquiry!  Thank you.

It seems you have gone down a road that I have trodden many times but I could not bring myself to be convinced by this George / Jacob thing - however, now that you have suggested it I'm tempted.  After all, if George is the real deal he doesn't appear in any record until the marriage in 1884.

I've had another look at the Winscombe PRs and I find the following:

14 Mar 1830 Frances d Charles Elizabeth HEMENS Woodbarrow in Winsc: Shoemaker
9 Oct 1831 Silas s Charles Elizabeth HEMENS Woodborough in Winsc: Shoemaker
15 Sep 1833 Henry Charles s Charles Elizabeth HEMENS Woodborough in Winsc: Shoe-maker
18 Oct 1835 Jacob s Charles Elizabeth HEMENS Woodborough in Winsc: Labourer

So there's Jacob in 1835 and his father appears to be the only Charles in the records.

It seems the Hemmens' were not adverse to changing their names.  My Grandfather was born Charles William and died William Charles!