Revd William NEALE, of Clothall

[Jayson]

Hi

Does anyone have the Revd William Neale in their family tree? If so, I would be interested in any information relating to him & his family.  The only info I have so far is that he was married to one Sarah Salmon, at Wybunbury, in 1759.

Jayson

[Lady Di]

Hi Jayson,

Rev Neale isn't a connection of mine but I may be able to help with a few odds and ends 

William Neale was Bp 10.07.1733, son of William Neale (also a Minister).
He commenced his ministry as the Curate of Clothall in 1756 where his father was the Rector. He was later Rector of Essendon and Bayford Herts.

It appears that most of the children were Baptised by their Grandfather at Clothall – at least until his death in 1773.
I understand that a Minister could not or would not baptise his own children (at least that’s what happened with my lot anyway)

His wife, Sarah died in Stoke Newington in 1781.
The Rev died October 1790

One of his daughter, Harriet, married in the East Indies in 1795.

I have a few other bits and pieces if you need them
 
Di

[Jayson]

Oh Di! I was really taken aback when I saw all this information.  I'm so chuffed! I'm forever in your debt! How were you able to find out so much so soon?

I had a look at the National Archives website & saw a will (1773) for a Revd William Neale, clerk, of Cheshunt, Hertfordshire but I wasn't really sure if this was the same chap who had married Sarah Salmon at Wybunbury in 1759.  Your post has now confirmed that it was infact her father-in-law.

Sarah Salmon was baptised at Wybunbury on the 2 March 1732/3.  She was the 12th child of George Salmon, who was variously described in the parish register as a gentleman/cheesefactor.  I can't understand why George didn't refer to her in his will of 1769.  Perhaps the reason for this is that she had already been provided for.  But who knows?

Do you by any chance have the names of William & Sarah's children, Di? I would like to see if Sarah used names from her own family for her own children.

I hope some day that I will be able to help you as you have helped me

Jayson

[Rayfo]

Hi Jayson,

The Rev. William Neale and Sarah are my g-g-g-grandparents.

Having only recently located them, I know next to nothing about Sarah, but William was born at St. Albans, Hertfordshire, and baptised – as Lady Di notes - on the 10th of July, 1733. The son of the Rev. (also William) Neale and Elizabeth Rotherham Combs, he attended Eton College from 1745 to 1751, matriculating in 1752, and obtained his Bachelor of Arts degree in 1755. His Master of Arts degree followed in 1759.

William entered the Church whilst still studying, becoming Curate of St. Mary the Virgin in Clothall, Hertfordshire in 1755, and being ordained at Lincoln on 18 December, 1756. He served as Rector of Little Berkhampstead, Berkshire between 1767 and 1770, of Hatfield from 1769 to 1770, and of Essendon and Bayford from 1770 to 1790.

He and Sarah had 10 children, of whom I currently only have the names of 5: Daniel; Harriet; Mary; Caroline Matilda; and Elizabeth Combs.

Daniel and Harriet later both resided in Madras, India – Daniel as a member of the Madras Supreme Court, and Harriet married to the splendidly named Cotton Bowerbank Dent, Esq., who was a senior member of the Board of Trade in Madras.

If I can be of any further help, please let me know.

Rayfo

[Lady Di]

Hi Jayson,

Wow - not only do you have lots of information but a relative/contact as well

A Winner!!   

Welcome to Rootschat Rayfo. Sounds like you are just the miracle that Jayson was hoping for.

These are the children of William and Sarah that I found:

SARAH NEALE                Bp: 02 AUG 1762 Clothall,
ELIZABETH TOMBES NEALE  Bp: 14 JAN 1764 Clothall,
HARRIOT NEALE                Bp: 24 JUL 1765 Clothall,
MARY NEALE                Bp: 1766 Clothall,   
WILLIAM NEALE                Bp: OCT 1767 Clothall,
GEORGE NEALE          Bp: 09 FEB 1769 Clothall,
ISABELLA ANN NEALE           Bp: 25 MAY 1771 Clothall,
DANIEL NEALE                Bp: 14 OCT 1772 Clothall,
AMELIA NEALE                      Bp: 03 AUG 1774 Hertingfordbury, 
CAROLINE MATILDA NEALE   Bp: 06 JAN 1776 Essendon,

Note: They appear to have stopped going to Clothall for Christenings after the death of William Neale snr.


Also found this item:

From:
The Historical Antiquities of the Parish of Stoke Newington

Death/Burial Notice:
Mrs Sarah Neale, the wife of the Rev. William Neale, Rector of Essingdon and  Bayford, in the county of Hertford, Aug 1781, in the 49th year of her age.


Cheers
Di

[Rayfo]

Hello Di, and thanks for the welcome.

Quite remarkable. I came across the link to Rootschat only today. I registered, then clicked on ‘Hertfordshire’ to look around - and the very first name I saw was that of my g-g-g-grandfather! I couldn’t believe it.

So, I am pleased if I have been of assistance to Jayson, but also very grateful to him for the background on Sarah Salmon. Just as I am greatly indebted to you for the names of the five children that I was missing. (Incidentally, Elizabeth Tombes Neale that you note, is in fact Elizabeth Comb(e)s Neale – a somewhat less morbid middle name, luckily for her!)

I would add, for Jayson, that Sarah was interred at St. Mary’s, in Stoke Newington.

I also have copies of the Wills made by both of William’s parents if Jayson wishes to know what was passed on to the couple.

Once again, thank you for your input, Di. A very fruitful day.

[Lady Di]

Hello Rayfo,

Thanks for amending the Tombs name - I thought the name could be a bit suspect/morbid. It is probably a family name and would be worth investigating if you haven't already done so.

I'm sure that Jayson is going to be thrilled to find that you have so much information.

You'll find that Rootschat is the best site on the net. Everyone is very friendly and willing to help in any way possible.

Do you have other families in Herts? Many of my lot are all over Herts - from Ware to Layston and everywhere in between, so we may find a connection with other family names.

Good luck with your research and hope to see more on you on the Herts board - and everywhere else on RC 

Di

[Jayson]

Hi Di/Rayfo

I never would have thought for one minute that so little would have generated so much! And I cannot express my gratitude to you both enough for taking the time to share this information with me.  It can be, as well you know, so difficult at times to trace people when they move away from the area of their birth. 

As Di has said, Rootschat is a most wonderful resource & I hope, Rayfo, that you find it as rewarding as I certainly have over the last couple of years.

Thank you for the names of William & Sarah's children Di. 

If you are interested, Rayfo, I can give you more information on Sarah's family? She was the youngest daughter & last child of George Salmon (pronounced as SARL-mon) - well that's how we pronounce it here in Cheshire anyway - & Mary Garnett.  Sarah's mother died in 1755, & her father remarried Elizabeth, daughter of Francis Elcock, Esq the following year.  Interestingly Elizabeth's brother was murdered a few years later in a dispute - he was shot with a pistol.

Of Sarah's siblings: her elder brother, Edward Salmon, Esq. (1725-1782), seems two have been a friend of James Brindley the famous engineer, which is evidenced by his will in which he bequeathed a legacy to Brindley's two daughters.  Edward's son, Richard Lowndes Salmon became the vicar of Sandbach and died there in 1782.  Her sister, Elizabeth, married John Wright, who was an attorney-at-law in Wybunbury/Nantwich.  Talking of wonderful names, Sarah had a relation named Prussia Salmon, Esq.  Why he should have been called Prussia I do not know! Prussia's brother, Charles, married my relation Ellen Bayley of Willaston Hall in Nantwich in 1772, which is the reason why I decided to research the Salmon family.

Hope the above is of interest? At the moment I putting together the Salmon family tree & you are certainly welcome to a copy if you wish?

Jayson

[Rayfo]

Hi Jayson,

Most interesting – all of it – and I should be very grateful for a copy of the Salmon family tree when completed, if it is not too much trouble. I shall PM you with my email address to facilitate that.

As a peripheral issue, I am also interested – not to say puzzled – as to how Sarah and William would have met, and why Sarah would have been buried in a Parish so far from her married and familial homes. Not a genealogical matter of course, but these loose ends always fascinate me, and I shall try to tease out an answer over time. The first part of the question almost certainly has a Church connection (as opposed to cheese  ), as a number of the Salmon family – including George it would seem at first glance – served as Churchwardens locally, and at least one putative ancestor of William’s was Bishop of Lichfield, in whose gift the living of Wybunbury was.

Names of that era have always fascinated me and Prussia Salmon is a superb example. For no readily apparent reason, a couple of William and Sarah’s descendants (my grandfather and g-grandfather in fact) were blessed with the middle name of Beaver. Why, for goodness sake – must be family related but I can’t for the life of me see it.

Also of interest are the odd things that we turn up in this hobby of ours. Just as you mention that Elizabeth’s brother was murdered, so I came up with a (not entirely proven yet to my satisfaction) ancestor who was indicted for the manslaughter of a carman (I do hope that Elizabeth’s brother was not a carman! ). Luckily for him, his father, the Archbishop of York, was able to obtain a Royal Pardon for him – which just goes to confirm the old adage that it is not what you know……

Di,
Further to your thoughts on the Combs component of Elizabeth Combs Neale’s name – yes, it is her grandmother’s family name. Her grandmother was Elizabeth Rotheram Combs, of a Combs family in St. Albans.

As to whether I have other families around Hertfordshire - that is something I have yet to discover. The only ones I am currently aware of are the Combs noted above - although Daniel Neale, son of the subject of this thread, married a lady called Elizabeth Buchanan, so maybe I shall need to research her family at some stage. My main areas of research have hitherto been Glamorgan, Berkshire, and London – although I am very much enjoying my foray into Hertfordshire.

I can quite see why you are both such fans of Rootschat – I am feeling the same way already!