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Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« on: Wednesday 05 January 05 23:42 GMT (UK) »
I have been trying to locate info on a particular family in Wolverhampton- SMITHYMAN. The only info that I have to go on was a newspaper article from NZ, which stated that the Groom, John Bailey Smithyman, married ......and that he was from Shorebridge, Wolverhampton. I have not been able to locate a place called Shorebridge, can anyone assist with locating this area. I thought perhaps the name of the area may have changed over the years.
The newspaper article has been transcribed, I have had two different sources of this article both state "Shorebridge", so I doubt that it was a typo on behalf of the transcriber. Unfortunalty I have no DOB for John Bailey, only a DOB for his wife, and some other snippets of info. Could anyone assist in where would be a good place to start looking for info. I thought perhaps if I could sort out the Shorebridge problem I may have more luck locating possible records.
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Re: Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 January 05 18:59 GMT (UK) »
Hiya Delboy

What timeframe are we looking at here? I live in Wolverhampton but no area called 'Shorebridge' springs to mind and I'm guessing Smithyman is his occupation not his surname. Wolverhampton district for BMD's cover quite a wide area so if you can let me know what sort of dates were looking at I have a dig about

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Re: Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 January 05 19:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Delboy

Could it be the marriage in the Strand RD, London March quarter 1852 1b 439 - John Bailey SMITHYMAN?  Or a relation perhaps?

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Re: Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 January 05 20:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Delboy

Could it be Stourbridge and not Shorebridge?

Just a possibilty.

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Re: Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 January 05 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

Thanks to all who have posted. I will add all the info I have incld the newspaper article, which also can be seen onlne, by typing Smithyman NZ into a search engine.

I have found a probable record of arrival for Smithyman to ENG- NZ.

PASSENGER LIST

William Watson
Barque: 430 tons
Captain: C Macfarlane
Sailed London October 21st 1858 - arrived Auckland February 6th 1859

Single men or Women-SMITHYMAN-JB

SOURCE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/WilliamWatson.html

The New Zealander Saturday 16th July 1859
PUBLIC NOTIFICATION
BY JOHN WILLIAMSON ESQ
SUPERINTENDENT OF THE PROVINCE OF AUCLAND
PERSONS representing that they are willing to be specially rated on their properties having a frontage to the south side of Shortland-street, between Queen-street and Princes-street for the purpose of forming a footpath with a stone kerb along the south side of the said street ….the rate to be paid to Edmund Mahony on the 10th August next.
Name RITCHIE, Thomas & SMITHYMAN, John Bailey
Amount of frontage In feet :18 ½ 
Amount of Rate :£2.6.3

SOURCE: http://www.ozlists.com/genies/residents/resid001.htm

Mr John Bailey Smithyman, who had a wholesale ironmongers business where the New Zealand Insurance Company stands now in Queen Street, Auckland, NZ

MARRIAGE

SMITHYMAN - MERRILL
 On 10th March 1860 at the residence of Mr Ohlson, Hobson-street,
by Rev George  Brown, John Bailey Smithyman, Merchant, only
 son of Mr Smithyman Esq, of Shorebridge,  Wolverhampton, to
Frances Brown Merrill, second daughter of William Merrill Esq,
Farmer, Howick.  [NZ'er 14 March 1860]

Frances Merrill was born 1841 Canturbury Kent, ENG. ( I have also posted in regard to this family)
But as stated above they were married in NZ. Perhaps her birthdate may give a rough ?? timeframe for his birth.

BACKGROUND

With a veiw to commencing plantation activities and trading, Mr Smithyman sailed from Auckland to Fiji by Schooner in 1860. Fiji was then under the rule of King Thakomba, or Gakoban, who ceded the islands to Britian. Mrs Smythman followed her husband to the Islands in the 16 ton cutter, Aquila, the voyage lasting 16 days, and she met her husband at Levuka. They then went to a coton plantationin the island of Nukulau, but after a year they moved to Duba Bay.

Mr and Mrs Smithyman later lived at Rewa, Viti Levu, but their longest stay in any particular part of fiji was a period of 10 years on Makogai Island, the present leper station. Their work was that of cotton planting, an activity that was often menaced by hurricanes.

Mr Smithyman next managed stores on Vanua Levu and at Levuka, where he died in 1880, but the name of the family is still well known in Fiji.

JB Smithyman is listed in the new publication Kaivalagi ni Viti, Census of Europeans Resident in Fiji 1874-75. He appears in the returns for Lomai-Viti [mainly Levuka residents] : JB SMITHYMAN Storeman

Here is some info on the birth of one of the children/isssue of John Bailey Smithyman.

NAME: SMITHYMAN, John Bailey
EVENT: Birth
LOCATION: Wolverhampton, Region not specified, England
DETAILS: Frederick Charles SMITHYMAN, first born white male in the Fijis, 19 Jan 1863. Son of the late John Bailey SMITHYMAN of Wolverhampton, England.

SOURCE: Cyclopaedia of Fiji, first published Sydney 1907, printed by McCarron, Stewart & Co., 44 Pitt St, Sydney. Reprinted by the Fiji Museum, Suva, 1984, 1988, page 287. Copy held in NZSG Library. Not specified, Region not specified, Fiji


As i said I dont have too much info to go on, perhaps his birth was around the time of his wifes, I dont know how much age difference there was if any, also Smithyman left ENG in 1858, so perhaps this will offer some type of time frame.

I have been lucky enough with my research so far that I havent had to purchase alot of certificates etc, as they are quite expensive here in NZ. I am unsure if that will even give Smithymans year of birth. I guess that will be my next step if I have no further luck.


Could any one tell me how Stourbridge is pronounced, perhaps this could be the correct area ?

Cheers
Del

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Re: Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 January 05 20:26 GMT (UK) »
There are some 1861 census entries for the Stourbridge area here and the name SMITHYMAN and variants does appear:

http://www.griffs4bears.co.uk/census/coverage.html

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Re: Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 January 05 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Casalguidi

Perhaps this marriage is a relative, If the name is the same, Could you post me a link please, and I will addit to my research info.

Thanks
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Re: Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 January 05 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

Another thought Ive had, although a long shot .
Smithyman was a Iron Monger, or rather that is the business he was involved in first in NZ. Perhaps his family were involved in this type of work in ENG, so it may have been the line of work he knew already ?

Cheers
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Re: Wolverhampton-Smithyman
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 January 05 20:34 GMT (UK) »
The London marriage was just the result of a search on here:

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/main.htm

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