Frances Brown

[carlolsen]

Riley
Thanks Riley. Sorry for the late reply. Im new to the whole internet thing I didnt realize there was a second page thought the messages were not getting through had to get my daughter to sort it out for me.

Im getting to know more about Neils. I wonder how he meet Frances after only one week in N.Z. I believe brides were extremely hard to find  during the gold rushes. I wonder if Neils could speak English. Do you think he may have been well educated.

I dont know how you are finding things out but thanks so much. Any more information would be greatly appreciated.

[spades]

Hi carloslen,

I should explain that 'Length of Residence' in ITM notices only meant how long the applicant had been in the district where the notice was registered, not their length of time in the country. I've noticed that many applicants seemed to have "3 days" as their length of residence, meening that they presumably travelled to the area for the marriage.

In the case of Frances Brown, you might assume she had arrived in Dunedin as an immigrant a year earlier, but even that could be incorrect (her family might have simply moved to Dunedin from elsewhere).

Niels' arrived in NZ in 1863 on the vessel Lawrence Brown: Niel OLSEN aged 28, single, occupation miner. From Hobson's Bay VIC AUS on 23 Oct 1863 to Port Chalmers Otago. I presume it would have arrived in Otago within couple of weeks.

I think you should contact Dunedin's Early Settlers Museum for any record of the arrival of Frances' father, Thomas Francis BROWN.

Regards, riley

[carlolsen]

Riley

Thanks Riley, I note that there is a difference between I.T.M 36 and arrival in N.Z 28.
I'm sure that would be a slip of the nib.
You are certainly coming up with the goods for me to think that only two weeks ago I knew very little if nothing of my great grandfather.
Perhaps 60 years ago in primary school social studies class on Gaberial's Gully I could of raised my hand and said, " I KNOW' MY GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS THERE". It would be nice if someone had a photo of him or his family for me.

Cheers Carl

[spades]

Hi Carl,

I'm pleased you queried the age differential between the two records, as I was wondering about it as well.

I note that a Niels Olsen died in 1919 and in 1906, with your ancestor dying in 1900: that makes three individuals with that name, so the 1863 passsenger record with an age inconsistent with your information is now looking very shaky. The source for that passenger record is the Public Record Office of Victoria (PROV) VPRS 948, also available on a Latter Day Saints (LDS) film, number 0284493. You should check the original record if possible to see if the age was recorded correctly.

The NZ Society of Genealogists http://www.genealogy.org.nz/ has a Pedigree Record for a Niels OLSEN, hopefully yours, PED423990.

Archives NZ list two probates for the name Niels OLSEN on Archway http://archway.archives.govt.nz/SimpleSearch.do but they refer to the 1906 and 1919 individuals. Archway listings are incomplete and still growing so don't take this as an indication that he didn't leave a Will.

Have you looked for Niels on the UK Census for 1841/51/61?

Regards, riley

[Mk2_Zephyr]

Agree with Riley,

time to treat the passenger listing as a possible miss.



And there would be 1,000s of Niels Olsens worldwide, 

[cmclayton]

Hi Carl,

Just changing the subject a little, but do you know if your Olsen family married into the Schmidt family.  Both these families where large in the Norsewood area, coming from Denmark and Germany.    Thanks for your time Christine

[carlolsen]

MK2-Zephyr

Thanks for your help but I guess people in a way are much like Ford motor cars in that they have individual number plates.
Riley seems to have got it down from 1000 to 1 individual in Otago at the time.

Regards Carl Olsen

[carlolsen]

cmclayton

Hi Christine, no but the otherside of my Parents (bergersens). came from Norway on the 2nd voyage of the Hovding and settled in Noreswood. Would of been neighbors I'm sure.

Keep in touch.

Regards Carl Olsen

[Mk2_Zephyr]

Ok,  the Niels Olsen on the ITM is probably not the one off the ship.

If the Niels Olsen on the ITM is yours the other one ain't.

Now if the ages were reversed as in, he was 36 on arrival and only 28 on ITM then there would be a possiblity, closing the age gap for appearance, but no one would increase their age on marriage.

I would check the shipping record for a mistake.