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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #171 on: Sunday 07 February 21 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for sharing the details about the flags.  A flag and sword allegedly remained in the keep of one of the Mitchell family from Sunderland for many years.
Also it is correct that the prisoners drew lots and a Mitchell unluckily drew the lot.  This is recorded in the National Archives.

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #172 on: Monday 03 May 21 16:45 BST (UK) »
Hi All, including Joy. The  8th  Chief of Glengarry Scotland, Donald McDonell, married daughter  of  9th  Chief of Clan Ranald  [a  MacDonald], and  their sons headed the McDonell  lines [that  we in Glengarry  Ontario Canada, still refer  to as]  Leek,  Collachie, Aberchalder, Ardnabie,  Scotus, Lundie, etc.,  McDonell lines. These were  Catholic [many  were  Officers  at Culloden], and emigrated enmass to  NY, in 1773 on Ship  "Pearl", later [after  Rev  War]  resettled Glengarry Ontario.  This  Donald McDonell 8th Chief Glengarry, had daughter Catherine McDonell who married Duncan Grant 1630 1730,  who was 1st  GRANT to hold  Wadset of  Duldraeggan Glenmoriston  [he was Protestant]  and  when this  Duncan   died  in  1730, the Courts declared  his great-grandson  Aeneas/  Angus Grant 1702   1779 to be his Heir at Law.  This Aeneas/ Angus  Grant  was married to Hannah Grant  1717 1801,  mentioned   in Joy's earlier  Post. I believe Aeneas/ Angus'  brother was John  Roy Grant b. abt. 1704,  was Transported to Caribbean  and probably did  not  return,  but  fathered Joy's  Alexander Grant [and Donald  Grant Sr.  Lot  13 SBR]. This  makes  these McDonell and Grant cousins  who  intermarried often.  Cheers J.                               

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #173 on: Monday 10 May 21 18:09 BST (UK) »
Hi, I’ve just started tracing my ancestors and I’ve found a few with surname Urquhart from Poolewe and Gairloch. I wondered if they might have been at the battle of Culloden, any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #174 on: Tuesday 18 March 25 02:08 GMT (UK) »
Recently came across this list of Arrivals in Barbados in 1747 of Glenmoriston Grant prisoners following Culloden.  The one that I was interested in is John Grant Craskie age 40, he made it.  So he didn't die from post Culloden injuries, didn't die in the Inverness Gaol, didn't die on the boat trip down to London, didn't die drawing lots where all the ship's prisoners were grouped by twenty and then drew lots (the loser went to the tower or Tilbury and was executed),  he didn't die during Transport and he did arrive in Barbados.  Unfortunately, per this document the trail gets muddied by the possibility that he was then shipped elsewhere by a London merchant named Samuel Smith ?

Here is the online document as I found it, posted by The Friends of Barbados Archives, interesting.  It appears to have the same informational elements that also existed in the British records when they were taken prisoner...The author of this excerpt leaves a few more crumbs to be researched, but I enjoyed this one.

[CARIBBEAN-L] GRANTS of Glenmoriston to Barbados
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Extract from The Journal of the Barbados Museum & Historical Society Journal, Vol XXXI, No. 2, May 1963, pages 73-90. (GRANTS on pages 77 &78)

SCOTS PRISONERS TRANSFERRED TO BARBADOS & JAMAICA

Name Age Home Notes
Grant, Alexander 48 Wester, Inverwick, Boatman, In Barbados,
Glenmoriston but escaped.
Grant, Alexander 55 Ditto Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, Alexander 31 Glen Urquhart Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, Alexander 35 Glenmoriston __
Grant, Angus 34 Wester Dundregan, Farmer in Glenmoriston
Glenmoriston
Grant, Angus 50 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, Archibald 40 Glen Urquhart Farmer in Glen Urquhart
Grant, Donald 36 Dalnagarn, Farmer in Glenmoriston
Glenmoriston
Grant, Donald 32 Ballintonbuy, Farmer in Glenmoriston
Glenmoriston
Grant, Donald 40 Wester Dundreggan, Farmer in Glenmoriston
Glenmoriston
Grant, Donald 40 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, Dugal 50 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, George 40 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, Hugh 50 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, James* 50 Blair, Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, John 40 Craskie, Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, John 45 Belnagarn, Farmer in Glenmoriston
Glenmoriston
Grant, John 41 Easter Achlein, Farmer in Glenmoriston
Glenmoriston
Grant, John 50 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, John 30 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, John 40 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, John 25 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, John 40 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, John 45 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, John 22 Glenmoriston __ __
Grant, John 26 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, Peter 50 Glenmoriston Farmer in Glenmoriston
Grant, Peter 24 Inverness Fiddler in Glen Urquhart
Grant, Walter 40 Teviotdale Barber in Edinburgh

[All spellings transcribed exactly from List. * James is "my" Grant!]
A brief extract from t he introduction to the lists:
"It is stated by the Treasury Records that 150 men went in the ship Frere, commander John Peters, to Barbados, 110 men and boys in the ship St. George, commander Geo. Snow to Jamaica, and 10 boys in the Cateret, commander Chas. Friend to Jamaica, making a total of 270..."
"... In the Registration Office, Barbados, there is a list of the names of persons who had been pardoned by H.M. King George III in 1746 of high treason, on condition that they bound themselves apprentice and servant to Samuel Smith, a London Merchant, to be transported to His Majesty's Islands or Colonies in America. This list contains the names of 127 persons, and since the document is recorded in Barbados, it is possible that these men travelled hither in the ship Frere. The number is 23 less however than stated by the Treasury Books. Possibly these died before or during the voyage and their names may have ben omitted from the record in the Barbados Registration Office..."
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Ernest M. Wiltshire / Friends of the Barbados Archives
38 Inglewood Place, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4C7
Tel & Fax: 613-729-0982 e-mail: mur...@synapse.net
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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #175 on: Tuesday 18 March 25 08:23 GMT (UK) »
Recently came across this list of Arrivals in Barbados in 1747 of Glenmoriston Grant prisoners following Culloden.
Duplicate post https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=339157.msg7640114#msg7640114
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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #176 on: Tuesday 18 March 25 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for this post.

I am interested in the Grant and Sutherland information please.

Thank you so much.
Jody