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"Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« on: Saturday 02 February 08 12:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi fellow trawlers of the seas,

Has anyone come across a parish named "Crough" ?

I can't find it in the PRONI lists.
[It might be an old name.
 e.g. like Carnmoney used to be called Coole.]


Ref:

Contrat de la Date of 09-SEP-1847,
Royal Court, St. Peter Port, Guernsey

" ... Sieur William CRAWFORD, fils de Jean,
 natif de la Paroisse de Crough,
 dans le Comte d'Antrim
, en Irlande, ...
 et Sarah WILLIAMS sa femme, ..."


Genealogical structure:

John CRAWFORD
= <tbd>
|
|- William CRAWFORD
   = (<tbd>, before 1847) Sarah WILLIAMS

Ta,

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: "Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 February 08 14:03 GMT (UK) »
You don't think maybe it could be Doagh??? (Grange of Doagh) I suppose ancient writing could be read as Crough.
RosemaryJoan
Cully, Bannister, McConnell, Wallace (Co. Armagh)  Anderson, Ross (Co. Antrim), Gray, Truesdale (Co. Down)
McCormick (Killyleagh and finally Belfast)

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Re: "Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 February 08 14:55 GMT (UK) »
Village of Clough, County Antrim and another Clough in County Down. Closest to the spelling I can think of, more than likely wrong.
Dixie
Antrim.  Campbell, Carson,Dickson, Gilmore, Creaney
Down.    Dickson, Fairley, Irvine, McCune, Carlisle,    
               Wilson, Quinn


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Re: "Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 07 February 08 20:28 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the replies RJ & DD.
Greatly appreciated.


The writing is indeed old, and scriptive.
However, very precise/clear.
[Done by a legal scribe - an Ecuyer Royale!]

Definitely a "C" and not a "D" at the start of the word.

So, "Doagh" is eliminated.
[Shame, 'cos our man is stated quite clearly in a separate document as being of (nearby) "Ballycraigy" in Co. Antrim - no designation of Parish or Townland being mentioned.]

--------

We consulted our local Oracle at Broughshane.

"We are looking for a man at Crough".

"Never heard of it, but Clough is about 4 miles North of here.
 Was his name CRAWFORD?"

"Er, yes!"


Scary!!


Apparently the McDONNELLs built a castle at CLough to overlook the Bann Valley, and put a Capt. CRAWFORD in charge.
[Presumably back in the 17thC.]

He, and his ilk,  obviously did OK.
The graveyard there is half-full of CRAWFORDs!


So, suspect that Clough is indeed the answer.

The "de la Date" proceedings in the Royal Court in Guernsey were conducted verbally, with a transcription written down by the Court officials.  They may have "misheard" the Ulster accent, recording "Clough" as "Crough".

[Perhaps Mr. CRAWFORD mentioned that he hailed from near a mountain that St. Patrick had climbed ... so they assumed Croagh instead of Slemish!]

The Castle at Clough in Co. Down seems to have survived the years a tad better than the one in Co. Antrim ...

------

However, a slight doubt remains ....

Clough is NOT a Parish (nor even a townland);

The Court were sticklers for recording inheritance facts, as honed by the island's laws over centuries.

A person's inheritances and, more importantly debts, were strictly transported around the family tree as necessary.

Heirs (and their issue) were made liable if preceeding members in the hierarchy (including parents) defaulted.

Importantly the liability was "Pour leur hoirs pour jamais".
[For their heirs for ever!]


There were lots of lovely Co. Antrim folks there in the 19thC, either as soldiers or as stone masons in the St. Sampson quarries (whose products faced many of London's buildings).

So, if you had ancestors present there at any time, just make sure that they did indeed clear all of their obligations to anyone before you visit.

Otherwise you might end up spending more time at the Constable's Office and the Royal Court than you planned!
[Helping to create new records, rather than consulting old ones.]

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: "Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 07 February 08 20:48 GMT (UK) »
crough townland was in bushmills/ballycastle
brennan  co.antrim/scotland
kelly        dunloy
aitcheson co.antrim
mccook     armoy co.antrim
mcfall       co.londonderry
murphy    kilrea

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Re: "Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 07 February 08 21:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Zander,

Thanks also for that.

Do you have a source for that info?
[The places you mention are close-ish, but not exactly closeby-ish, to each other.]

There is no mention of such a townland on PRONI.
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/townsc2.htm


Could be like some in Co. Down (e.g. Movilla) which seem to have disappeared over time ...

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: "Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 07 February 08 23:36 GMT (UK) »
See www.thecore.com/seanruad to search for townlands and parishes in Ireland (be sure to change default setting from exact match to search part of a word).
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: "Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 February 08 05:05 GMT (UK) »
Aghadowey,

Thanks for that.

This alternative (undated, just like PRONI) databank throws up that, within Co. Antrim townland names, there were ...

... none containing "crough";

... three containing "croagh";
        [Croaghbeg, Croaghmore & Kilcroagh.]

So, no exact match.
Hmm, the mystery continues ...

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: "Crough" Parish / CRAWFORD early 19thC
« Reply #8 on: Friday 08 February 08 12:33 GMT (UK) »
hi there,
when i was searching for my family they came under crough/ballycastle and they came from mosside liscolman area of co.antrim
brennan  co.antrim/scotland
kelly        dunloy
aitcheson co.antrim
mccook     armoy co.antrim
mcfall       co.londonderry
murphy    kilrea