Hi Rob
Everything received beautifully.....and goodness, talk about a tangled web!!
This is what you have now!
MARRIAGE of Francis and Rose
31 Oct 1908 St Josephs Chapel (Catholic) , Kilmarnock
Groom: Francis McMILLAN, 22, Carter, Bachelor of 12 Robertson Place Kilmarnock
Father: Robert McMILLAN, Coal Miner (deceased)
Mother: Agnes Ann McMILLAN now Mrs McCARTNEY, m.s. FISHER (not stated as deceased!)
Bride: Rose McMAHON 22, Muslin Weaver, Spinster of 3 Old Mill Road, Kilmarnock
Father: John McMAHON, Coal Dealer
Mother: Rose McMAHON m.s. McGRAW
Witness: Patrick McDONALD and Annie M? McMAHON
Same marriage date as on grandad's birth cert.
Right parents for Rose and she did have a sister named Ann.
Right address for Francis per birth of his son later(but different number house)
Slight but acceptable variation in name of McCART - to McCARTNEY
Confirms a Catholic faith - so pre 1855, you may not get any SP records for family members, nor any IGI at all.........
DEATH: Agnes Ann McCART nee FISHER
November 21st at 6h 45m pm at 14 New Street (Usual residence 18 Waterloo St Kilmarnock)
Agnes Ann McCART age 50
Married to:
(1) Robert MULLIN, Coal Miner
(2) James McLAUGHLIN Coal Miner
(3) George McCART Furnace man
Father: Patrick FISHER, Coal Miner, (deceased)
Mother: ------------------ FISHER, m.s. ----------------(deceased)
COD: Fracture of Base of Skill as certified by A MASON, M.D.
Informant: Peter COLLINS, son-In-Law, Present, of 12 Robertson Place Kilmarnock
The informant did not know Ann's mother's name.
But he did know of McLAUGHLIN.
Is the first marriage meant to be John MULLEN? Did the informant make a mistake...considering, Ann probably died at the address of her son RObert MULLEN(see below)
(Is the ifnormant married to Ann's daughter Helen perhaps?)
DEATH - REGISTER of CORRECTED ENTRIES
Parish of Kilmarnock, County of Ayr
The following Rep[ort as result of a Precognition has been received touching the death of Agnes Ann FISHER or McCART...........
Name, age & Sex: Agnes Ann FISHER or McCART 50 years female
When & Where Died: On the 21st November 1908 within the house of 14 New Street, burgh of Kilmarnock, occupied by Robert MULLIN Collier, residing there.
Cause of Death Fracture of the Base of the Skull seen by by Dr Mason. and Dr Isbister Kilmarnock
then....1891 Census you found:
(Grrr! I found this one, absorbed the "Nitshill" place of birth but discarded it becasue not sure, then I later found the FISHERS at Nutshill (above) and then couldn't remember who it was I 'd found with "Nitshill"......)
1891: No 7 Palace Craig Manse? Row, Old Monkland (Eastern), Lanarkshire
Ref: 652/3 . ED 1, pg 19
Head: James McLAUGHLIN 40, Coal Miner, b Kilmarnock Ayrshire
Wife: Ann McLAUGHLIN 33, b Nitshill, Renfrewshire
Son: Hugh McLAUGHLIN 9, Scholar, b Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Dau: Jeannie McLAUGHLIN 7, Scholar, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Step-Son: Robert MULLEN 9, Scholar, b Blantyre, Lanarkshire
Step Son: Francis MULLEN 4, Scholar, b Thorneywood, Lanarkshire
Step-Dau: Helen MULLEN 2, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
(note - I incorrectly aged Helen/Ellen in 1901 as 3 - recheck - should be 13, have amended above)
I think --- the marriage of Ann to McCART - after all it's the one chance you have to date to allow Ann to 'speak for herself' on the history of her marriages - you may be lucky to get her prior husband's first name from it? At the least it will hopefully confirm her mother's name and therefore the probable Census found for Ann with parents above.
Now where is she in 1881! Have you winkled her out?
Cheers
AMBLY
