mullen of kilmarnock,

[robmullen]

Thanks Ann your a star.. im stil searching..good job theres not much on tv tonight lol.

[AMBLY]

Hi Rob

I wonder about the surnames on that 1901 Census where your Ann FISHER is Mrs McCART - very odd - but if I try looking on SP index for 1901 Census, the only one I can bring up is :
George McCART age 2 in Kilmarnock Ayr.......

I can't for the life of me bring up :--
Geo McCART 34
Annie McCART 44
Franc*s McMIL* 14
Ellen McMIL*13
James McMIL* 10 (I can a  James McMI* age 10 but if I try McMIL* it no-result)

I was recently involved in a topic where a look at a Census inage revealled a quite different surname than was indexed on A*ces*try - wonder if that's the case here - or am I just going bonkers?

This was that FISHER I found at Aitkenhead Avenue  in Bothwell - might be Ann's father
1881: 3 Aitkenhead Row, Bothwell, Lanark,
625-1 , ED 9, Pg 26
Head: Patrick FISHER 63, wid, 63 , Gel Labourer, b Ireland
(looks like he is enumerated alonf at Nr 3.

Oh where oh where is Ann in 1871 and 1881!!!!! 

Cheers
AMBLY

[robmullen]

The plot thickens Ann,im just wondering why i cant find francis's dad,and she was married quite a few times in a short space. im wondering if Robert was in the army in 1880's ish think im just clutchin at straws now? ive searched most of night on Ancestory .co cant find a sausage lol, i still have family in kilmarnock, wonder if theyd pop to library for us....tell them its very important!!!  as other parties biting there nails on out come lol..

[liverpool annie]

You guys are whirling so fast .... and I've lost the plot .... so goodness knows how you're doin' !!   

Who are you looking for right now ? .... maybe the next shift might have some ideas .... you guys are too close to the situation at the moment .... fresh eyes may get you kick started again !!

Just a thought !

Annie 

[robmullen]

Hi Annie, yeah we certainly are doing some digging lol. i think we are up to francis's dad.. could be Robert mullen or mullin mcmillan, as his mother seems to have been married 3 times so far.she was agnes ann fisher born about 1858 died 1908 kilmarnock. name at death was mccart, but was mcglauchlan i think... but my great grandfather was francis mullen, you ok so far lol, if you need more details certificates etc giz a shout will send you copies..Rob , sorry took abit to get back, but thought i would have abreak, and do some ironing as my head is spinning..Ambly has been a real dream so far.

[liverpool annie]

What was Ann's parents names ... do you know Rob ?

I found one in 1871 Irvine Ayrshire with father Robert and mother Jean .... have you disregarded that one already ??

Annie 

PS You're in good hands with Ambly thats for sure !! 

[robmullen]

I think we have Annie, on her marraiage certificate her parents are listed as a Patrick Fisher And Catherine Fisher M.S Smith, we cant find her on any of the 1881 or 71 scotland census, if you would like a copy of her marriage i can send you it, if you like...we have to find out what happens next.. its getting better than a soap lol..a scots version of Dynasty set in a miners village hee hee

[liverpool annie]

Exciting isn't it ?? sounds like you're hooked already !! 

I have to get off here now .... but I'll stop by tomorrow and see where you're both up to !! 

Annie 

[AMBLY]

Heya Annie -      if your eyes can find Ann  in 1871 and 1881 , I'm all crosseyed looking for her!

Pretty sure she must be married in 1881 to Robert MULLEN - but if he was a miner he might be down the pit and not on the Census.
Pretty sure was still a single lass of abt 13 to 15 in 1871 - I can't find either parent either or sibs?

Rob! What was the marriage where you have Ann's parents names confirmed? Think I might have missed out on that one - wahhh!   Please may I have a look at ?

I agree! Not a sausage! .............Oh yes, I'd definitely have the relatives in Kilmarnock on to the case - lucky you!  I wonder if there was something in a newspaper regarding Ann's death - being as it appears to be an accidental death relating to falling perhaps?

So far - names for Ann's husbands are:  indicated as  John MULLEN, Robert MULLIN, Robert McMILLAN, James McLAUGHLIN and George McCART

That McMILLAN thing is bothering me - it wasn't mentioned on the death cert of Ann.
I can't find Francis as McMILLAN on  Scot. People for that Census 1901 (can you?) -  yet we have Francis marrying as McMILLAN.

I think the problem is....we actually don't know who of the first 3  names is Francis'  dad was or even if he was born of parents who were married at the time.

It's starting to look like ...
the 1908 marriage is in error saying McMILLAN and maybe his name was supposed to be McMULLIN?
the 1960 death is wrong in stating his father as John MULLEN  - it was supposed to be Robert MULLEN?
Scotlands People:
MARRIAGE:
James McALUGHLIN and Ann FISHER 1890 Kilmarnock
This makes a lot of sense to be them - since in 1891 Ceneus they appear not to have had a child together - Ann's son James (per 1901) came along abt 1891) - ie: James "McMILLAN" on the 1901 must surely be James McLAUGHLIN's son??

BIRTH:
Francis MULLIN Bothwell Lanark 1886 *
Ellen MULLEN in Old Monkland Lanark 1888
*from what I can gather, Thorneywood - Francis place of birth per the 1891 -  was as address in Uddingston, which was within the parish of Bothwell.
Interesting site:
http://www.mining-villages.co.uk/9.html

Those 3 certs, plus the McCART one and the original of the 1901 Census seem to me to be pretty important! Gosh, Rob - Youll have to get a 2nd job to finance your hobby  

Cheers
AMBLY