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Re: Help - who is this?
« Reply #27 on: Monday 11 February 08 23:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi folks, I had a look for him in the 1917 Debretts Peerage. It says that "1887-8 with Afghan Frontier Commn. (Afghan Order of Hurmat)". It also says "present at the assault and capture of Nodiz fort in Mekran 1902 (clock tower erected to his memory at Quetta)". I wonder if the latter action qualified him for another medal?
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« Reply #28 on: Monday 11 February 08 23:37 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,

I'm not sure if this will help with the identification of the medals but here's his obituary from the Times newspaper of 2nd March 1940.

Obituary - Colonel Sir Charles Yate

Pendjeh and Parliament

Colonel Sir Charles Yate, who died yesterday at Madeley Hall, Shropshire, at the age of 90, rose in the Indian Political Service to be Chief Commissioner of Baluchistan, and was afterwards for 15 years Conservative M.P. for the Melton Mowbray Division. During the greater part of the time he was the only former head of an Indian province in the House, where he filled a distinct role as an upholder of the fine traditions of British rule in India and a severe critic of the methods and Indian policy of the late Mr. Edwin Montague. Nor was Yate a mere observer of the play of party fortunes in the House, he spoke frequently on current questions not directly connected with India.

Born on August 28, 1849, Charles Edward Yate was the eldest son of the late Rev. Charles Yate, B.D., Fellow and Dean of St. John's College, Cambridge, and vicar of Holme-on-Spalding Moor, Yorks. At Shrewsbury school, under the famous Dr. Kennedy, he was a contemporary of Sir George Grierson, O.M. Entering the Army in November, 1867, he went out to India to join the 49th Royal Berkshire Regiment. Admitted in 1871 to the Bombay Staff Corps, he was transferred to the political service, and did useful work as an assistant political superintendent.

In the second Afghan War, Yate reverted to military duty and was appointed to the command of a detachment of the 29th Bombay Infantry. He took part in the famous march to the relief of Kandahar as a member of the staff of Lord Roberts, and was the Political Officer in charge of the city till its evacuation in May, 1881. Subsequently he was attached to the Afghan Boundry Commission of 1884 and assisted materially in the progress of the demarcation. He was in charge at Pendjeh when the Russian ultimatum to and subsequent attack on the Afghan troops there on March 30, 1885, brought us to the point of war with the Northern Power. A detailed account of his intrepidity and resource in this critical situation as given in Sir Percy Sykes's biography of Sir Mortimer Durrand. Yate, hoping for the best and realizing the Russian appreciation of good cheer, invited Zakrchevski and his officers to an entertainment between the two lines of mounted men. "For hosts and guests alike it was a memorable banquet, possibly coupled with a sense of impending tragedy." Later in the year Yate was deputed to Herat in connexion with the fortification of the city.

For these services and his completion of the Russo-Afghan frontier, Yate received the C.S.I. and the C.M.G.

Political work at Muscat was followed by transfer in 1890 to Thal Chotiali, in Baluchistan. Once more called upon to adjudicate on a Russo-Afghan controversy, on the division of the water of the Kushk River, he was able to effect a satisfactory arrangement by the Autumn of 1893. Next he spent some years at Meshed as Consul-General, and he embodied his experiences in a valuable work entitled "Khurasan and Seistan" (1900). A dozen years earlier he had published his "Northern Afghanistan". In 1898 Yate became British Resident in the Rajputana States, and in 1900 was appointed Chief Commissioner in Baluchistan. In 1901 he took part in the operations against a rebel chief at Makram, being present at the attack on the capture of Nodiz Fort. The memorial to his services following his retirement in 1904 comprised a presentation portrait by the Hon. John Collier, a duplicate in the museum at Quetta, and a clock tower and fountain there.

Yate was a man of great energy and public spirit, and after two unsuccessful contests was elected at the end of 1910 Unionist member for Melton Mowbray. He continued to hold the seat until 1924,  and made his country home at Asfordby House in the division. His interventions in debates relating to India showed his attachment to the old standards of administration there, as well as a keen desire for Indian progress along certain lines. He had a profound dislike of Mr. Montague's policy, and there was a widespread feeling that he should not have been excluded from the Select Committee on the Government of India Bill of 1919. Subsequently he was nominated to the Standing Joint committee on Indian Affairs. In 1921 he was created a baronet at Madeley Hall, Shropshire, and after retiring from politics he went to live in that Tudor mansion which has been the home of the family for six generations.

In 1899 Yate married Charlotte Heath daughter of the late J. Hume Burnley, formerly his Majesty's Charge d'Affaires at Dresden; she died in October 1936. There are two daughters, but he leaves no heir, for in the autumn of 1910 he lost his only son.

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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 00:03 GMT (UK) »


Boy ! that was a great first post !!  :)

Hi Tiffin and welcome to RootsChat !  :)

Do you know anything about our Colonel Sir Charles Yate ? or were you just able to find the Obituary for us ??

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« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 00:06 GMT (UK) »
An interesting obituary Tiffin (welcome by the way, I see it's your first post)  :)

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That's a new one on me Fred. Google doesn't come up with anything on it.
If Debretts says so then fair enough, but if it's a foreign award shouldn't it be at the end of his row of medals?
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« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 00:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello Annie and Neil,

Thank-you for the welcome.

No, I have no connection to the colonel but was interested by all the info that has been found about him, all starting with a photograph. I have access to the Times online via a library subscription so I looked him up!

There are other entries that relate to his brother, also an army officer.

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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 00:38 GMT (UK) »

Hi Tiffin !

Well we're still trying to also find out a connection with the Thornleys !!  but they think one of his children might have married into the family - we're wondering why his photo is hanging in the Thornley Brewery pub ??

Can you find anything that relates to that - by any chance ??

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« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 00:46 GMT (UK) »
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« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 00:51 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately not, at least not that i can find!

I've tried births, marriages, deaths and obituaries with Thornley and Yate as keywords, no luck,sorry.

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« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 12 February 08 00:57 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for looking Tiffin ...... apparently it was HE Thornley .....  :) all I could find was a beer label !!  ;D

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Much of my discoveries about this brewery emerged when I was researching the Dog and Partridge on Ashted Row. It was in 1857 that the association with this pub and the famous Kelsey family started. Benjamin Kelsey founded a brewery in Ashted, starting a company that would live for another century. Before taking over the licence of the Dog and Partridge he had previously kept the White Hart in Great Brook Street. In the 1861 census he was documented as a 34 year-old Birmingham-born Licensed Victualler. His parents were Benjamin Booth Kelsey and Drusilla Stokes, a couple who were married in St.Phillips on November 6th 1825. Benjamin was born just over a year later in January 1827. The spring water around Ashted was well regarded and ideal for brewing. Benjamin Kelsey proved to be a very successful brewer and, in what today is known as vertical integration, he also became a Maltster and Hop Merchant supplying a number of other pubs in the area. Such was his success in this field, he decided to concentrate his efforts in brewing, handing over the running of the Dog and Partridge to John Seeley Kelsey. The successful brewing business enabled the Kelsey's to develop a modest estate of public houses, including The Ashted Tavern on the corner of Henry Street and Ashted Row and the White Hart in Cromwell Street. Indeed, John Kelsey moved from the Dog and Partridge to the latter shortly before his death on October 5th 1878. His will was proved by Benjamin Kelsey and valued at £4,000, an enormous sum of money for the period. The Kelsey empire continued to grow until, in 1933, the company merged with H.E.Thornley of Leamington Spa. Trading as Thornley Kelsey Ltd., the new company eventually moved all brewing to Leamington. When they decided to concentrate on their wine wholesaling operations in 1968, Thornley Kelsey closed the brewery and sold their estate of 68 tied houses. The Bath Row-based Davenport's Brewery acquired the majority of the pub estate

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