Euphemia Hynd

[tommacgregor]

Hello Bill,

It's really great to hear from you and when I heard that you were communicating from Birmingham, I almost fell off my chair, (and that's dangerous at my time of life, believe me!) The reason that I say that is that my wife and I married at Sheldon in Birmingham back in 1958. Yes, we are coming up to our Golden Wedding in July of this year. I served in Birmingham City Police Force.

My brother, lives with his wife in Solihull and my sister at Marston Green. They have both come over here to Australia and spent some time with my family and I. It really is a small world, isn't it?

It's wonderful to have a breath of fresh air from good old "Brum", which is my wife's home town, and then to really put some icing on the cake, I received e-mails from two of my cousins. One living on Vancouver Island, Canada and the other living in Cowdenbeath, Fife. Both of them have been kind enough to offer me a bit of assistance with one of my pet projects, the mystery of the Livingstone family, and as people like "Sancti" Monica and Elaine would all know, that makes me a very happy lad, (some lad!)

Let me say how very pleased I am that Rootschat has such a great group of characters. We may disagree on some things, but, we shouldn't get too serious about such things - life is too short! This show of friendship really makes my day, and when I receive messages in my In Box like yours, it really does make my day.

Kind Regards,


Tom.

[tommacgregor]

Hello again, "Sancti",

My ears pricked up when you were kind enough to post details of Alexander and Alexandrina BEVERIDGE of Lumphinnans near Cowdenbeath. As you know, Lumphinnans was the place that I used to visit at weekends when I was a wee lad. Many of my family lived there, and indeed some of the family still live around the Cowdenbeath area. Who knows, some people on RootsChat will know of the Livingstone and Hepburn families and want to talk about their connections to them.

You're solid use of SP is proving to be of enormous help in fixing dates and locations with great accuracy and is steadily improving the quality of my postings. For that, and your other kindnesses, I again want to say, very many thanks.

As always, my very warmest regards to you and your family.


Tom.

[tommacgregor]

Hello Gaie,

With reference to your most informative posting about the Beveridges and Orrocks. I found that Christian name of Alexander Beveridge's wife extremely
interesting. I had noted the date that you mentioned, i.e. 5th April, 1833.

I spend many hours looking at various facts and figures and thought that you might be interested in these scribbled notes that I made:

A Jemima Pearson marrying an Alexander Orrock on 23rd May, 1842 at Aberdour and a daughter, Helen, being born to them on 15th March, 1846. That information certanly ties in with the information that Bill was kind enough to give us.

A David Orrock married a Janet Robertson in April, 1783 at Aberdour and the following children born to them: David Orrock born 5th November, 1783 at Aberdour. Charles Orrock born 5th November, 1783 at Aberdour. A Robert Linton Orrock born 18th February, 1796 and a Liston Orrock born 12th August, 1804 at Aberdour.

Again, when I was riffling through those scribbled notes, some of the names came up again under my heading of marriages.

Janet Orrock married John Charles on 3rd March, 1826 at Aberdour.
Liston Orrock married John Blair on 12th May, 1826 at Aberdour.
Robert Orrock married Janet Dick on 11th July, 1830 at Aberdour and Agnes  Orrock married John Craig on 7th December 1838 at Aberdour.

A separate piece of my notes stated that a John Orrock married a Catherine Inglis and they had kids including Jean Orrock born 17th September, 1820 at Aberdour, Robert Orrock born 14th May, 1822 at Aberdour and Andrew Orrock born 28th July, 1824 at Aberdour.

Most people know how I seem to keep tripping over "coincidences" and so I smiled a bit when I had heavily underlined an entry that stated that a David Orrock had married a Euphan Inglis and their son, David Orrock was born on 26th July, 1809 at Aberdour.

Now, all of the above is pure "coalface" type of researching. It's not coordinated, it hasn't been fully checked out, and under normal circumstances I would not show my rough workings on RootsChat. However, many people may wish to take a closer look at these rough notes, especially if some of the individuals form part of their family tree. I only hope that someone doesn't come up with some kind of critical remark about it. I give the above information as I have it - rough and ready, and I fully acknowledge that.

I will be really interested to see if some descendant of the Orrock family comes up with some kind of key to those snippets of information.

Kind regards,


Tom.

[tommacgregor]

Hello Gaie, Bill & Sancti,

I thought that I would have a look around the Auchtertool records as well as the Aberdour ones. When I was researching my Page ancestors I remembered seeing how an Isobel Page married a Robert Orrok!
To the best of my knowledge, Robert and Isobel had a son named Robert, and he was born around 1753 at Auchtertool. This son went on to marry a Margaret Meldrum round about 1796.

Their children:

Isabel Orrock born 27th February, 1798 at Auchtertool
Robert Orrock born 2nd June, 1799 at Auchtertool
James Orrock born 3rd November, 1800 at Auchtertool
Janet Orrock born 22nd July, 1804 at Auchtertool
Margaret Orrock born 24th March, 1806 at Auchtertool
Janet Orrock born 10th March, 1808 at Auchtertool
Alexander Orrock born 19th December, 1811 at Auchtertool
Agnes Orrock born 13th November, 1814 at Auchtertool

Once again, if you go through your own private papers, you may possibly find connections to Auchtertool around this time period. If there is a named individual there, then the above information may be quite useful.

Kind regards,


Tom.

[tommacgregor]

Hello Bill,

I took off my specs, gave them a good rub, and then noticed that you had some links to the Kinninmonts. I must do that more often I think. Looking round the Auchtertool records that I have, I came across an interesting connection.

You probably have the following information, but if you have, then other researchers may find it useful:

David Page, (yes, those troublesome members of my family!) I know that he married a Rachel Kinninment (please note spelling!) Although I'm not too happy with the birthdates, this is what I have;

Charlotte Page born 12th August, 1849 at Auchtertool
David Page christened 18th May, 1851 at Auchtertool.
Ann Philp Page born 7th November, 1851 at Auchtertool
Andrew Page born 4th June, 1853 at Auchtertool
Thomas Page born 18th June, 1855 at Auchtertool
Margaret Page born 3rd August, 1861 at Auchtertool
Rachel Page born 14th February, 1866 at Auchtertool
Christina Page born 9th August, 1868 at Auchtertool.

That Andrew Page interests me greatly since my Great-Grandmother, Janet Cook, married an Andrew Page and his birthdate and birthplace appear to be a pretty good match. That's something else that I will have to investigate again.

If you're tracking down your Kinnonmont ancestors in Fife, then one would think that from the above, we may have found one of them. I wish you good hunting!

Kind regards,


Tom.

[Bill Fraser]

Hi Tom,
Thought you may be interested in the attached photo, tram on Stratford road from Camp Hill, pub on right is the "Shakespeare" on the corner of Henley street where we used to live when we first moved to Brum.
Regards.
Bill

[tommacgregor]

Hello Bill,

What a lovely thing to do. My wife and I are just starting the day here in Melbourne and what a lovely way in which to start it. The memories just flooded back when we viewed your photograph.

Other people on the site may like to know that Stratford Road is a main road that leads through Camp Hill into the City of Birmingham near St Martins Church in the Bull Ring. Just before passing St Martins Church on the left there is a lovely old black and white timbered "pub", called the Old Crown, and then, further on, Digbeth Police Station, where I used to be seconded to on occasions from my base at Headquarters in Steelhouse Lane. My word, how the memories from the 1950's come back.

You will see that "DiddyMiller" and I are working away on some details about the Cooks and the Patersons. I think we would both like to present as much data as possible to other researchers on RootsChat as possible, after all, that's what it's all about - giving a helping hand with a good heart.

Many thanks from my wife and I.

Kind regards,


Tom.

[sancti]

Not a policeman to be seen in that photo, no doubt they are all in the Old Crown or the Shakespeare 

[tommacgregor]

Hello "Sancti" and a very Good Morning to you and your family.

I smiled at that quip, because, a lot of my mates in the Force certainly liked their pints of "Wallop" - those Sassanachs hadn't quite got round to Johnny Walker! Me, I never touched a drop - honest Injun!

Seriously though, isn't it just terrific that people like Monica, Bill, Elaine, "DiddyMiller" and us, are forging such a great relationship. Just like a lot of other people out there, you and I still have a number of "black spots" on our Family Tree's, and I believe that possibly this is how some of them will be solved. Some kind person out there is going to say, "Hey, Sancti, I recognise that individual. He was a cousin of my Great-Grand-dad".

Again, very many thanks for the great support that you're giving me, and which I try to acknowledge at every opportunity on RootsChat.

Kind regards,


Tom.