Thanks so much for looking, believe me I have looked too, but I thought new eyes might spot them where I couldn't, as John managed to find Mary & Anna Maria in 1891 misindexed.
Please don't spend any more time on them, they're maybe just missed off. I'll need to get Esther Bird's birth cert I think, then see what her mother's name was at that time. She may have been unmarried and so Mary Bird (perhaps the one Ricky found 1841/51), or she may have married one of those Birds, will have to do more digging & a cert seems to be the only way forward, or backwards
Many thanks all for your time and effort, much appreciated
Barbara
