ANNIS Dilemma

[deb usa]

arrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  

i can't even find a suitable Charles Warmington ...

This is all I have so far ..there is a birth of Charles Henry Warminmgton  mar 1874, St Thomas.
On NA there is an admiralty doc for a Charles Henry Warmington, # 151615
DOB 1 Aug 1874 ...ekkkk that doesn't add up either ....

these are my thoughts:

Kathleen was the illegitimate daughter of a Miss Price who married Charles Warmington.

there has got to be something about adoption ... Clarence Warmington may be the clue ....


ummm >... i have no other thoughts at the moment  

hi Sue and Tricia  

[Debzi1]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH Debs

I like that... Charles Henry  Warmington (naval Docs) is a possiblity to look into, if his birth was 1874
he would be 20 when Kathleen was born, but why cant I find a birth for her ARRGH!!!!   

Sue
I did see that marriage but I cant see a connection to William Price as her father was Charles

Debra

[deb usa]

Hi again

this one has me sooo stumped ...LOL ...I love it ..brain cells are working up a storm.

okay ...I have followed the people who adopted Clarence Warmington ... They were Edwin Clarke b 1864 , Sampford Courtnay and Matilda b 1862, Stonehouse. They had one daughter , it seems , Edith M Clarke b 1883 , Plymouth.

Cannot think why they would adopt other than wanting another child...unless it was a rellies child that they wanted to keep in the family .  here's the deal though.... I cannot find Edwin Clarke's marriage to Matilda ... If we could find that then , there may be a possible lead to follow ..ie ..she has the maiden name Price or Warmington ...or they were just kind people adopting a needy child ....

deb ....running out of ideas ...

[Valda]

Name: WARMINGTON, CHARLES HENRY
Initials: C H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Chief Petty Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. "Lochinvar."
Age: 44
Date of Death: 23/10/1918
Service No: 151615
Additional information: Son of James and Agnes Warmington, of Otterton, Budleigh Salterton, Devon; husband of Elizabeth Sophia Warmington, of 5, Bridwell Rd., Weston Mill Estate, Devonport.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Church. C. 12462.
Cemetery: PLYMOUTH (WESTON MILL) CEMETERY

Doesn't seem relevant to Kathleen

Regards

Valda

[deb usa]

Thanks for that Valda.

I cannot find Charles Warmimgton in Devon who fits the bill, let alone a Charles with a daughter Kathleen in the 1901. We have no clue as to where or when Charles, the dad, was born. The only real and consistant clue is that his occupation was a  printer compositor.

I have looked in 1891 and 1881 looking for any Warmington with that occupation ...none have come to light thus far.

I keep on thinking of my Carnaton's of Cornwall,  where the Grandfather or Uncle was used as the father's name on the marriage certificate.

Do you have any more thoughts or suggestions , Valda ?

deb 

[SCH2]

Hi Debra,

I guess you have probably checked out this birth already, but I'll post it anyway, just in case

Births Mar 1894   
Warmington  Kathleen Mary     Bideford  5b 491

Sue

[SCH2]

If Kathleen's birth was 1894, then this would be a possible birth for father Charlie, making him 20 when she was born.

Births Mar 1874   
Warmington  Charles Henry     St. Thomas  5b 41

and a possible marriage
Dec 1899   
March  Elizabeth Sophia    Kingsbridge  5b 404   
Warmington  Charles Henry     Kingsbridge  5b 404

As this is after the Kathleen birth year, I don't suppose that she could have been illigitimate and her mother a Price in Bideford. Might be worth looking in the bideford area though.

Sue

[SCH2]

I don't know whether anyone can check out earlier censuses for Charles Warmington, but if he had a sister, then this could possibly be the  key to the problem...

Marriages Jun 1888 
 Bromfield  Susan    St Thomas  5b 148   
Hurley  Thomas     St Thomas  5b 148   
Price  George     St. Thomas  5b 148   
WORMINGTON  Emily Rebecca     St. Thomas  5b 148 ...

If Kathleen was the illigitimate daughter of Emily Warmington and then Emily married George Price, Kathleen could well have used the name Price for a while, reverting to Warmington at some point.

The only other thing I can think of is that Emily and Charles were Kathleen's parents. If they were cousins or (heaven forbid) siblings who couldn't marry then Kathleen may have used the Price name for a while, after her mother's marriage.

Phew...does this make any sense at all

Time for bed me thinks.
Night all.

Sue

[Valda]

Sue

Charles Henry Warmington born Otterton (registration district St Thomas) 1874 according to his navy record at The National Archives and the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (record already given see previous post - he died during the First World War) spent his lifetime at sea in the Royal Navy rising to Chief Petty Officer.

Description Name  Warmington, Charles Henry
Official Number:  151615
Place of Birth:  Great Norton, Devon
Date 01 August 1874
Catalogue reference ADM 188/218 

Emily Rebecca Warmington was born in Otterton in 1863 daughter of Joseph Warmington an ag lab (Charles Henry was the son of James - a bricklayer and Agnes Warmington and the husband of Elizabeth Sophia).
Emily Rebecca did marry George Price in 1888 (which would be about 6 years before Kathleen's possibly birth according to her age on her first marriage). On the 1891 census Emily was in Harpford Devon with one daughter Ellen aged 2. George Price was a farm labourer. The family were still in Harpford on the 1901 census. Besides daughter Ellen there were two further sons. George Price was then a general labourer.

Kathleen Mary Warmington birth registered Bideford in 1894 born Woolfardisworthy is clearly placed on the 1901 census in Woolfardisworthy as Kathleen M Warmington the daughter of William - farmer and cattle dealer and Mary C Warmington.

Debra

When did Kathleen die? From the September quarter of 1969 a person's date of birth (if known) was added to the death registration. Does anyone still living remember Kathleen? Was she actually born in Devon or even England for that matter?

Regards

Valda