Helen Steel born Auchinsterie?

[annette ellen]

I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this but I was told it could be.

I am trying to find some information regarding a Helen Steel born 10th March
1907  Auchinsterie?and her parents, Father Anthony Christie & Mother Mary Kelly.

Helen married in Scotland and came out to Australia with her Husband John Steel and children.
Hope that someone may be able to help.

Regards
Annette

[MonicaL]

Hi Annette

This looks like Helen's parents' marriage:

1890   CHRISTIE   ANTHONY   KELLY   MARY ANN   KILSYTH   /STIRLING   483/00 0042

And likely entry for the family in the 1901 census before Helen's birth:

Anthony Christie 30, coal miner, not known (NK)
Mary Christie    28, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Mary Christie    8, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Rose Christie    6, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Kate Christie    3, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Alice Christie    2, b. Kilsyth Stirling

Address: 22 Dunkop St, Cambuslang, Lanarkshire

Regards.

Monica 

[MonicaL]

Only one birth showing on IGI within the range of Anthony Christie's age on the 1901 census:

ANTHONY CHRISTIE  Birth:  26 MAR 1866  Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
Parents: ANTHONY CHRISTIE and CATHERINE O'BRIEN

Can't see an entry on IGI for Mary Kelly in Kilsyth c. 1873

Also found another entry on the 1901 Census which has left me confused:

Anthony Christie 37, son in law, coal miner, b. Boness, Linlithgowshre
James Kelly    67, head, coal miner, b. Ireland
Mary A Kelly    53, b. Ireland
Michael Kelly    18, b. Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Bernard Kelly    17, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Thomas Kelly    15, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Charles Wynne    25, lodger, b. Ireland

Address:  32 Parkfoot St, Kilsyth

There is also this birth to parents James K and a Mary McAnulty:

MARY ANN KELLY  Birth: 07 JAN 1873 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland



Annette, sometimes you can figure out likely parents from looking at birth entries together with census info. In this case, however, I think you may need to look at that 1890 marriage cert. to confirm parents for both Anthony Christie and Mary Ann Kelly.  Your Anthony Christie can't be in two places at once in the 1901 census   

Regards.

Monica

[annette ellen]

Hi Monica,

Thanks for your answer. The first one is the family that we are looking for.

We do not have the marriage certificate and am going on what my husband can remember. He knows that Anthony Christie died in the early 1940's as his other Grandfather also died about the same time.

He also says on his Mothers side her Grandmother was born in Ireland, so I will have to try the Ireland sites.

Thank you very much for your help so far and it is much appreciated.

Regards
Annette.

[MonicaL]

Hi Annette

I can see that Gadget has gone great guns on the John Steel side www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,289140.15.html 

Let's see where we get to with the Christie & Kelly lines!

From the 1890 marriage entry we found earlier, we have details confirming:

Anthony Christie, 24, ironstone miner, residing at High Street, Kilsyth. Parents Anthony Christie. coal miner, and Catherine O'Brian (both deceased)
Mary Ann Kelly, 18, domestic servant, residing at 54 Auchte(xxx)arry Row Cumbernauld (I wonder if this is the same place as you showed for Helen's birth?).  Parents James Kelly, coal miner, and Mary Ann (Scott) - hard to read this bit.

Witnesses: John Kelly and Catherine Harvey.  Banns according to the Catholic Church - St Patricks Kylsyth.

So where does that take us with what we had earlier....

The birth entry for Anthony in Boness looks to be the correct one:

ANTHONY CHRISTIE  Birth:  26 MAR 1866  Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
Parents: ANTHONY CHRISTIE and CATHERINE O'BRIEN

Marriage entry, actual extract from records, for the parents, including name of Anthony Christie's father:

ANTHONY CHRISTY  Parents:JAMES CHRISTY    
Marriages:Spouse: CATHERENE O'BRIEN  Parents:HUGH O'BRIEN   
on 08 OCT 1854 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland

Lucky you  Unusual to find parents names on these IGI entries (never mind the OPR themselves!)

Children showing to them:

1. JAMES CHRISTIE Birth: 17 JUL 1855 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
2. ROSE ANNE CHRISTIE  Birth: 17 SEP 1857 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
3. TEDDY CHRISTIE Birth: 21 SEP 1859 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
4. ANNE CHRISTIE Birth: 18 DEC 1861 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
5. ANNIE CHRISTIE  Birth: 01 MAR 1864 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
6. ANTHONY CHRISTIE Birth: 26 MAR 1866 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
7. HUGH CHRISTIE  Birth: 29 APR 1868 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
8. PATRICK CHRISTIE Birth: 10 JUN 1870 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
9. MILES CHRISTIE   Birth: 28 OCT 1872 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
10. PATRICK CHRISTIE  Birth: 20 AUG 1874 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland


This looks like the family 1871 entry with Anthony already born:

Antony Christy    35, coal miner, b. C Letntran (Lietrim?), Ireland
Cathrine Christy 32, , b. C Letntran (Lietrim?), Ireland
James Christy    15
Roy (Rose?)Christy    13
Timothy (Ted?)Christy    11
Amrie (annie?) Christy    6
Anthony Christy    4
Hugh Christy    2
Patrick Christy    10 Mo

Address:  Croy, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire

Annette, you have an 1855 birth there, first born James, which given that it is the first year of official reg. in Scotland should give you an additional amount of information not to be found elsewhere and will confirm where the parents were from.

Let's see what we can find on Mary Ann Kelly, I'm confused by those two 1901 entries at the moment...

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

This looks likely entry for Anthony and Mary Ann following their marriage in the 1891 census, birth places at least for Anthony looks wrong:

Anthony Christie 24, coal miner, b. Cumbernauld
Mary Ann Christie 19, b. Cumbernauld

Address: No 42 Auchenstarry Row, Cumbernauld

And also, brother Timothy living a few doors down.  Everyone showing as born in Cumbernauld apart from Timothy and wife Annie

Timothy Christie 31, coal miner, born Bo'ness
Annie Christie    32, b. Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Anthony Christie 9
Thomas Christie 7
Annie Christie    5
James Christie    4
Patrick Christie 2
Cathrine Christie 10mo
Joseph Christie 18, brother, coal miner

Address:  No 28 Auchensbarry Rows, Cumbernauld

Monica

[MonicaL]

There are two things throwing me off being certain about Mary Ann Kelly's family. The birth entry for a Mary Ann Kelly I posted earlier looks right apart from mother's maiden name: MARY ANN KELLY  Birth: 07 JAN 1873 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland with mother as Mary Ann McAnulty. But she gave her mother's maiden name looks like Scott or something similar at her marriage,  nothing like McAulnty (and many variations!).  Also, we have the two entries for an Anthony Christie in 1901 

Working back however, we have the following family living at 54 Auchensbarry Row - the address that Mary Ann Kelly gave at the time of her marriage in 1890, and a few doors along from where she is living in 1891.  Everyone showing as born in Cumbernauld unless indicated:

James Kelly    50, coal miner, b. Ireland
Mary Ann Kelly    42, b. Ireland
John Kelly    20
Alice Kelly    17, b. New Monkland, Lanarkshire
James Kelly    15
Patrick Kelly    10
Bernard Kelly    6
Thos Kelly    4
Michael Kelly    10 Mo

Address:  54 Auchensbarry Row, Cumbernauld

Which corresponds with the 1901 family:

Anthony Christie 37, son in law, coal miner, b. Boness, Linlithgowshre
James Kelly    67, head, coal miner, b. Ireland
Mary A Kelly    53, b. Ireland
Michael Kelly    18, b. Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire - michael's age probably mistranscribed, should probably read 10/11?
Bernard Kelly    17, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Thomas Kelly    15, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Charles Wynne    25, lodger, b. Ireland

Address:  32 Parkfoot St, Kilsyth

Given that the family also have son in law Anthony Christie staying with them with the right birth place, then I think the first 1901 entry I posted for an Anthony and Mary Ann must be wrong....Mary Ann must be alone, with children, somewhere else....

No way to re confirm Mary Ann Kelly's mother's name from her certs on line. She died at the ripe old age of 1959 and cert has to be ordered:

1959   CHRISTIE   MARY ANN   Not Permissible   KELLY   F   86   SPRINGBURN   GLASGOW/LANARK   644/04 1414   No Image   ORDER

Monica 

[Gadget]

Hi Annette and Monica 

Just popped across to see how things are progressing.

It looks as if the Margaret McNab was born Islay - where the whisky comes from.

Having a break for a while - good luck with the Kellys

Gadget

[MonicaL]

Gadget

Have you ever come across a situation where someone is included in a Census household but they weren't actually there? The 1901 Census entry I found at the beginning in  Cambuslang is the only one showing for Mary Ann with by all accounts husband Anthony Christie (not a common name) in the household...yet Anthony Christie is at his in laws James Kelly and Mary Ann over in Kilsyth on census night...

Monica