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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #198 on: Monday 07 April 08 02:41 BST (UK) »



Well now ... here's another Ryan !! Thomas Ryan

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2007/10/22/tale-spinner-or-war-hero-ryan-s-riddle-55578

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I wasn't able to find this one either !! but I'm wondering if this one is Daniel ??

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« Reply #199 on: Monday 07 April 08 03:37 BST (UK) »


Lieutenant-General Edward Seager CB (1812–1883) was a British Army officer who served in the Crimean War and in the Indian Mutiny.
Seager, was born on 11 June 1812, and, after serving in the ranks for nine years and one hundred and eighty-eight days from 1832, became a cornet of the 8th Light Dragoons on 17 September 1841. He was adjutant from 5 October 1841 to 25 October 1854, being gazetted lieutenant on 29 June 1843, captain on 26 October 1851, and major 31 January 1858.
He served with his regiment in the Crimean War of 1854, and up to February 1855, and was present at the battles of Alma, Balaclava (where he was wounded), Inkerman, and the siege of Sebastopol. On 28 June 1855 he was appointed assistant military secretary to Major-general Lord William Paulet, commanding on the Bosphorus, and continued in the same office under Sir Henry Knight Storks until the end of the war on 31 July 1856, when he was rewarded with a medal and four clasps, the fifth class of Medjidie, and the Turkish medal.
Later on he served in Central India, 1858–9, was present at the action of Boordah, was mentioned in the despatches, and received a medal. From 5 August 1859 to 5 August 1864 he was lieutenant-colonel of his regiment, and was then gazetted a brevet colonel in the army.
From 3 November 1864 to 31 January 1870 he was acting quartermaster-general in the Dublin district, and from 1 April 1873 to 3 April 1878 inspecting officer of yeomanry cavalry at York. On 15 January 1870 he became a major-general, and on 1 July 1881 was placed on the retired list with the rank of lieutenant-general. On 10 May 1872 he received one of the rewards for ‘distinguished and meritorious services,’ and on 2 June 1877 was gazetted C.B.
He died at Sion House, Scarborough, on 30 March 1883.

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« Reply #200 on: Monday 07 April 08 03:44 BST (UK) »


Henry Roxby Benson (1818 - 1892)

was born into a distinguished Welsh family who had its origins in North Yorkshire before moving to London - he was gazetted into the 17th Lancers in 1840 and rose steadily until he commanded the regiment in the field during the Crimean War .....  Subsequent service in India (where he commanded the 2nd Cavalry at Malwa) lead to further promotions, notably Colonel of the 7th Hussars  Appointed CB in 1861 he continued to rise until his final promotion to the rank of General twenty years later

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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #201 on: Monday 07 April 08 13:24 BST (UK) »
One slight correction to the entry for Cornet Grey Neville . . . he was in the 5th Dragoon GUARDS, not 5th Dragoons (who were not in the Crimea).

A couple of other comments:

You might consider joining the Crimean War Research Society at http://www.crimeanwar.org/

I think you would enjoy our journal (said the editor, immodestly) and contact with other Crimean War scholars.

You might also like to write an article about what you have found on Sutherland for our journal . . . with the caution that it may all be an old wive's tale [The only Sutherland I could find in the Light Brigade was 1800 Pte William Sutherland (17th Lancers) who never embarked for the Crimea]. I would check with Roy Mills at the EJB Archives as he may know more about this man. The additional details about his participation in the Sand Creek Massacre seemed a bit far fetched, although possible. I have learned to never state anything too positively . . . I suggested someone who wrote an article to the Times about riding behind Lord Cardigan in the Charge (although his name did not appear in the musters of the Light Brigade) was not a charger. Turns out he was, but enlisted under an alias. Lots of chappies claimed to have charged and appear in newspaper obituaries and on tombstones, but the number far exceeds the actual number of participants . . .


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« Reply #202 on: Monday 07 April 08 16:20 BST (UK) »



Well Lawrence it's " all in the details " as they say !!  :D I had GUARDS in one sentence and not in the other .... it's there now though !!  :D

Our friend Sutherland wasn't at Sand Creek .... he missed it by a few months !!  ::) .... I just filled in the information about it - for the benefit of anybody who was interested to read it .... and it did happen in my part of the world !!

A scholar I'm not - I'm afraid ..... everything I have found has been found Googling and with the help of others ... I have tons of questions that I've asked on nearly every post ....  :) this was a project to get my mind working on other things apart from the first anniversary of the death of my son .... I wanted to do something that may give somebody else an idea of what their relation did .... but like "Topsy " it just "growed " !!  :)

And the American ones have turned out to be fascinating ..... and I'll just keep on going until I can see if I can find any answers !! ..... I believe that most of them weren't in the Charge ( in those days who was going to check ?? they could say anything they wanted to !!  :) )

But they are all men who seemed to live very full lives - which really blows me away when I think about the times they lived in and the problems of transportation - getting from one part of the world to the other etc etc !!

I need to do a write up for the Western Historical Library ... but I would like a few more definitive answers first .... more research needs to be done on Sutherland and George Baynes before anything can be written as definite ..... but I'll certainly send you a copy when it's done !!

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« Reply #203 on: Monday 07 April 08 17:46 BST (UK) »



I found this in the New York Times

NY Times April 5th 1908

Newtown Conn has among its inhabitants a Thomas Kenzie who also returned from the Charge of the Light Brigade .... Kenzie at the age of 73 is still alive to tell the tale ...... moreover is still able to do a good days work ..... Kenzie says he himself knows of still another survivor of the famous Charge ........ Kenzies own history reads like an extract from the life of an adventurer of the days of Queen Elizabeth

Born in 1835 in Montgomery North Wales he began work at the age of 12 by carrying mail for a man named Price - after four years of this - his father turned him out of the home and apprenticed him to a brass finisher

Tiring of this he joined her Majesty's forces and began soldiering in Ireland .... after seeing service there he sailed in the transport "Himalaya" and arrived in time to be in the thick of the fighting on the Crimean Peninsula ... he served at the Battle of Alma and later at Balaklava where he was wounded in the hand by a bayonet thrust - of which he still bears the scar .... after Balaklava Kenzie was sent to Malta with the other sick and wounded

Not at all discouraged by his Crimean adventures Kenzie left Malta in 1856 and went to India just in time for the Sepoy Mutiny which broke out May 10th 1857 Kenzie was with Sir Colin Campbells force which relieved Lucknow after the siege on September 25th

After the mutiny his regiment was sent to China Later he went with it to Ceyln to Cape Town and to St Helena and St Vincent His next active service was in Abyssinia 18656-66 - At the end of this a part of the regiment was sent to Ireland

Quitting the service Kenzie went to New South Wales where he lived for 5 years

His last migration was to the United States in 1873 and for 6 years he divided his time between Ohio and Illinois finally settling permanently in Newtown Conn ..... Having completed 30 years of adventure and soldiering he then settled down into a hardworking citizen ... he married and had 4 children

Kenzie attends strictly to business and wastes no time relating his former  military career to his neighbours so that until the assertion put forward that Nelius ( sic Nelms ) was the sole survivor of Balaklava roused him to speech - even his near neighbours had not been acquainted with his adventures in the service of the Queen

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« Reply #204 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 05:06 BST (UK) »


Thanks to Tisgrannie .... I have become acquainted with a poignant blog ........ !

And although this isn't "the Charge " ... I'd like to include this here !

In Gosforth church there is a large marble plaque describing the death of Captain Charles Allan Parker, Royal Marines, who was killed during during the Crimean War (1853-56) fought between Russia and an alliance of Britain, Turkey, France & Sardinia. Though the principal and most memorable events of this absurd & tragic conflict took place on the Crimean Peninsula on the north coast of the Black Sea, most famously the charge of the Light Brigade, there were other less well known encounters, principally naval actions aimed at disrupting Russia's Far Eastern trade routes. One was at Kamtschatka (Kamchatka) on Russia's Pacific seaboard.

http://cumbrianwarmemorials.blogspot.com/search/label/Crimea


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« Reply #205 on: Thursday 10 April 08 01:21 BST (UK) »



Wonder where these photos are now ??  :-\

Liverpool Lord Mayors fund to be given one guinea for each photograph printed.

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« Reply #206 on: Thursday 10 April 08 01:24 BST (UK) »


Trivia ........  :D

The 11th Hussars had the nickname "CHERRY BUMS" ...... do you know why?
 
Because the Troopers in this regiment were entitled to wear cherry red trousers which gave rise to their nickname !  :D
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