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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #36 on: Monday 31 March 08 13:16 BST (UK) »
Eliza Pearce update:-
Last post:-
Per marriage cert her father George was a cabman now deceased.
Most likely fit in 1871 census for her father:-
Gate Porter at the Surrey County Lunatic Assylum for Pauper Lunatics in Wandsworth.
He is recorded as a. 40 born Middlesex, Fulham. (sounds like something out of Charles Dickens)
His wife Eliza is recorded as a. 27 born Ireland.
In the househould beside Eliza are 3 other daughters, the oldest being born 'India, Madras, Bangalore' and the youngest Kent, Chatham.
Also in the household were Amelia Johnson, 54, widow (George's mother-in-law) born Kent, Deal and Virginia Johnson, 21, unmarried, (George's sister-in-law) born India, Madras.

Update:
1. A search was made to find George Pearce's widow and children in the 1881 Census returns. This went better than expected, George was there as well! It appears George and Eliza were both alive in 1881 and had living with them a further three daughter and two sons!

2. Further reseach of the 1871 census:-
Eliza, 15 was the Domestic Servant to Michael and Mary Gregory in Copthorne, North Petherwin. He was a tailor and grocer. A possible connection is that just down the road at Brazacott Cross was John Pearce, 67, unm., retired farmer.

3. The possible birth cert for Eliza is to be ordered.

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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #37 on: Monday 31 March 08 20:26 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone

That's a great update , Bob ... glad she was the right Eliza !  ;D

i have been doing a little more with the tr**s family ...

Don't know if you have this ;
Arthur C Johnson b 1882 s/o Lucy Ann TRAIES and Robert Chaplin Johnson, is not with his parents in 1901 ... the rest of the children are.

found him....1901; Arthur C Johnson, single , 19, Gunner b Cambs ~ on board the vessel~ Magnificient in the port of Gibralter... unfortunately i don't see any Admiralty records for him on national Archives yet  :-\

deb
added ~ Bob the census where you have george pearce the gatekeeper, aged 40 is the 1861 not the 1871  ;)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #38 on: Monday 31 March 08 21:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Deb,

No don't have the Arthur C Johnson 1901 return - will include that - yet another Royal Navy person to add to the PRO Kew list.

By the1871 census that George Pearce had gone up market and was Drill Sergeant at King Edwards School for boys at Godalming.

Over the weekend I posted a lot more information on the William Traies & Mary Bond family tree -  an interesting family. I am gradually retrieving and adding where appropriate the TR**S  census returns you posted that did not belong to KerryB's James TRAIES.

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Bob

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« Reply #39 on: Monday 31 March 08 21:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Bob and Deb

Just to let you know, a kind rootschatter Dawn is visiting the LMA next week and on her list to check is to see if she can find the marriage of James and Hannah.

Perhaps you would like to join me in crossing fingers  ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

Kerry
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Searching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website ....


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« Reply #40 on: Monday 31 March 08 22:06 BST (UK) »
Fingers crossed.

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« Reply #41 on: Monday 31 March 08 22:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Kerry

i have everything crossed , including my eyes ... LOL  ::) 8) Good luck!!

hi Bob
I think I found George Pearce in the 1841 census in Middlesex, with his family ...guess what ...he was a COACHMAN .... ;D :o

In the beginning when we were on the hunt for Twilights people ..Margaret Olvar ...I could find 'lttle stories/histories on your site ... don't know how to explain them properly .... I can't seem to find them anymore ... invariably when I want to get onto the Tra**s family tree I enter through the 'backdoor" ...ie; the Mystery section ..... advise please

deb ...honourary Traies family member  ;D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #42 on: Monday 31 March 08 22:27 BST (UK) »
ooo guys ..I am sooo excited re; tthis part of the family :
JOHN TRAIES and ELIZABETH nee KERSLAKE..their daughter Susanna TRAIES married Richard CHALLICE ..all in Thorverton ...that's where my Caprons and Middletons come from ...

BTW found this for 1841
High Street Crediton
Richard Challice 55 sadler Y
same house
John Traies 79 shoemaker Y
Elizabeth 72 Y

so it looks like Richard is living in the same house as his parents-in-law...I had posted about them before ...never noticed Richard ...oops sorry

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #43 on: Monday 31 March 08 22:53 BST (UK) »
Blimey ...this is the worst one  :o

I see that you did not have Samuel Traies who married Elizabeth lock, in the 1851;

from Bob's tree:
Samuel TRAIES    1791   c. 5Oct1791 Crediton Samuel son of John and Elizabeth TRAIES IGI C050743)
   1823   Samuel Traies, Master of Workhouse, Camberwell (Pigot’s London & Provincial Directory, 1823/4)
   1831   m. 29Mar1831 St. Giles, Camberwell, Surrey. Samuel TRAIES and Elizabeth LOCK (IGI M06262)
   1841   Census Finsbury St George The Martyr Samuel Traies 45 licensed victualler Elizabeth Traies 35 Hannah 25 Ind (under TRACES)   
   1857   d. 30Mar1857 Gravesend, Kent Samuel Traies (Gravesend RD Apr-May-Jun 1857 2a 147)


1851
Marylebone
Samuel Trueis head mar 59 dealer in beer ??? b Crediton
Elizabeth wife 45 b Surrey
Ann raberty???un 15 servant?
transcribed under SQUERI  :o :o :o

HO107/1486 fol 631 p8

deb  ;D ;D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #44 on: Monday 31 March 08 23:21 BST (UK) »
hi

you are all going to love this one  ;D ;D

per Bob's info:
Jane TRAIES d/oJOHN TRAIES and ELIZABETH nee KERSLAKE
   1802   b. 10May1802 ?. Source to be added
   1802    c. 20Jul1802 Crediton, Devon.  Jane daur John and Elizabeth TRAIES IGI C050743)
   1861    Census Jane Traies, age 58, Crediton, Devon, England, Lodger , Sidmouth , Devon.
   1886   d. 1Dec1886 St Thomas, Devon. Jane Traies age 84 (St Thomas RD Oct-Nov-Dec 1886 5b 32)
   1886   i. Exeter Countess Weir St Lukes Cemetery, Devon

and :

Elizabeth TRAIES d/o James Traies and Elizabeth Nicks
      1819   b. 1819/20 Baltimore USA

1851;
Monument lane
Kings Norton, Warwickshire
Transcribed under TRONE
Elizabeth TRAIES head unm 31 school mistress b Baltimore US
Jane TRAIES aunt unm 48 shoe dealer b Crediton Devon

Louisa Morgan sister-in-law 16 scholar at home b ?
hephiziah Morgan   " " 15          " b Exeter
Jemima Morgan       "  "  12

HO107/2049 344 42

who are the Morgan girls ??


deb :D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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