maud alice watson 1891/1901 census

[lizdb]

Hi and welcome, roughcut.

What was Gladys's surname? Or put another way, who did Ethel marry?

I can see Ethel's birth in 1886 as Ethel Annie, registered Rochford registration district, Essex.

It looks like her marriage in Ap/May/Jun 1903, Camberwell Surrey to either Frederick Rutherford or Stephen Pelling - which was it? Or have I got the wrong marriage altogether?

It would be worth you finding the family in 1911 census to see what name Gladys went under, her age, where she was born and any other info that might help find her birth.

[roughcut]

The story is that Ethel had a relationship with a Walter Richmond. A much older man perhaps with two daughters who were teachers. He apparently is buried at Rochford, Essex and was ships captain. he had his own vessel by all accounts.
I understand Gladys May Watson was born 6th May 1904 and her mother Ethel died as a result of childbirth. I am not convinced and suspect Ethel left the child with her mother who brought Gladys up.

I would be very interested to find out anything about Ethel after 1904 and also some info about Walter Richmond. I have found so many Richmonds I am getting spots before my eyes...!
I really appreciate your advice.

Ruffcut

[lizdb]

We seem to be hijacking redflagman's thread here .... 

there is no death in 1904 for Ethel Annie Watson, so something is adrift, nor a birth for Gladys MAy Watson.

I think your first move has to be to find Gladys in 1911 census. We cant do look ups for you, but you can buy just a few credits to see any entries in full that look hopeful from the index.

[roughcut]

Sure Redflagman will forgive us..


Found Gladys' birth in 2nd quarter of 1904.. 4a 711. Gladys May Watson born Rochford reg June 04... she was born 6th May 04.

Still trying to find Ethel Annie....

Wonderful to find out so much...

Ruff

[lizdb]

although I can find no record of her birth records anywhere. Any suggestions?

I must admit I didnt recheck when I made the last post to say there wasnt a record, as I assumed that you had checked, as you said you hadnt found it!

So - that was your query wasnt it, to find Gladys's birth?

If you want to find out more about her, the birth cert would be a good move , to see if a father is named, find address etc, plus as I said before, the 1911 census to see who she was with then.

[roughcut]

She always used name watson even on her marriage cert which I have seen but even then named father there as Walter Richmond. I know she lived with her Grandmother until she married my Grandfather in 1927. She tells me she went and put flowers on his grave when she was courting my Grandfather.

What I really want to find out is what happened to Ethel...I have lost her after 1901 in Prittwell...s-on-s.

Getting very confused....Have traced W J Richmond but really can not prove paternity save what I have been told.

Good fun...

Ruff

[groom]

Was she the Ethel Watson born Rochford, 14, servant in the Layzell household  7, Southchurch Rd, Prittlewell in 1901?

If so, if you search the 1911 using these tips

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html

there is an Ethel Watson born Rochford a servant in Westcliffe on Sea. Perhaps your theory is right and she left the baby with her mother. As Liz said there is no record of an Ethel Watson's death around 1904.

Jan

[roughcut]

Yes I am sure she was the servant you mention. I am looking through but still can't even find what you guys are mentioning...very frustrating but am at the best of times pretty stupid with these machines!

If Ethel did live beyond 1904 then the chances of her marrying are high...and I have nothing to help me with that...married name..s

Fascinating stuff...I am really hooked!

Ruff

[groom]

If you want to search for marriages, try Freebmd

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

The problem that you have is that Ethel A Watson is a fairly common name and she may not have married in Essex.

Jan