William Mainwaring

[welshwoman59]

Thankyou.  I'll do that.  I think it actually syas cefn isaf but i'm just as wise as to where that is.

[Cas (stallc)]

Street index has Cefn Isaf listed as being within Cefn Coed...

Rechecked 1851 states Hamlet of Gellygeg.

[welshwoman59]

Great stuff.  Now I should be able to find some of the family there. 

[Cas (stallc)]

This is interesting....

1851 HO107 Piece 2459 Folio 714 Page 42 - Brecon census, Parish of Vaynor, village of Coedycymmer.  Reg dist is Merthyr 

The address is given as lower 'leven' (I think this is lower 'Cefn')  spelt Ceven and mistranscribed Leven

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?GLA,SO031083,5,Cefn-coed-y-cymmer

Daniel Morris Wife Jennet & family (with Ann Morris age 3, fits with sil in 1861)

Could fit for one of the address on cert, and you have the link to sister Ann

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

In 1841 the family are in Merthyr (next address is Gellygeg farm)
HO107 Piece 1415 Book: 4

All not in county
Daniel 30
Jane 25
Margaret 8

2 sons listed in 1851 are next down, but  David is down as (Phillips?)  There is also a Morris family above

There are 11 pages to this area, possible you could check to see if Morgan is badly mistranscribed?

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi Welsh....

I think the 1841 Tati found is correct.

I think the early name for this family was 'Manner' somewhere along the line Mainwaring was replaced for whatever reason.  Most on the indexes Mainwarings originated from the Neath area.

Do an IGI search for Manner in Glamorgan (no dates) and they mostly are all from Merthyr and all seem connected.  Some of it is submitted...parts I can verify with indexes I have.  some is extracted

There is a bapt for Morgan Mannor/Manner at the right timescale...also another child for Morgan with wife Ann Evans.  it is not complete but you could get the LDS finche to veiw at your local FH library to see if the family can be sort out. 

Let me know if you want to persue, and I will see if I can confirm any details for you.

Cas

[welshwoman59]

Thank you

I could do with all the help i can get.  My mother always pronounced the name maynewearing as opposed to the english mannering.  Makes you wonder how/why the change happened.  I am waiting for one mone cert to arrive.  It is, i hope, William Mainwaring birth cert.  I'd love to get to the bottom of it all and if you could advise me i'd be very grateful.

[Cas (stallc)]

Take a look at the IGI for submited and extracted info I mentioned in above post...let me know what you think, or want me to try and follow...I will see what I can do after work tomorrow.  Here is some info, don't know if there is any more to add...

The bapt. for Morgan Manner 1805 Merthyr is on the index Parents Howel & Mary and other siblings

This marriage from Glam index would tie in...

Morgan Maner - Anne Evans Merthyr Tydfil, 19 July 1830 by banns, both of Parish

WM MANNER Birth:  1832   (submitted)
Other Events: 16 MAR 1851   Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan

No other info, don't know what it means about other event...if your enquire about the finche at your FH centre for possible brother 'Thomas' (below) it may include the bapt. for Wm. it is within dates.
 
This is the only extracted record on IGI
THOMAS MANNER Birth:  21 APR 1836 
Bapt:  15 SEP 1836   Twyn-Yr-Odyn Presbyterian Or Unitarian, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Parents: MORGAN MANNER  Mother:  ANN EVANS 

Births and baptisms, 1804-1836. Batch Number C103021
The Unitarian Chapel is located in Twyn yr odyn in the parish of Merthyr Tudful. Although it is a Unitarian Chapel, the records state that it is Prebyterian.

Also these deaths may relate to wife/mother between 1841 - 1851 no other varient of name checked all Ann/Anne

Deaths Sep 1847   Mainwaring  Ann     Merthyr Tydfil  26 279
Deaths Sep 1849   Mainwaring  Ann     Merthyr Tydfil  26 446

You could possible write or ring Merthyr Registry office to confirm if Morgan was informant or address is same and then purchase cert etc.

Also another avenue would be Merthyr cemeteries.  The Bereavement Service offer very useful assistance to researchers from the registers... google for info.

You may never get to the bottom of the name change...I have ancestors who went by 'Mordecai' or 'Mort' some used it interchangable other families stuck to one name or the other...this was across the entire extended clan and generations.  No one knows why...yet 

Just incase it may help what were the witness names on cert, and fathers' occupations?

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Home early....long standing colleague died...so as a mark of respect have been allowed home...very sad news.. he was a well liked and respected guy, worked with him many years 

Just to add....
There are also 2 different peeps on GenesReunited reasearching Morgan Mainwaring 1805 Merthyr

You can discount the Morgan Mainwaring and Hannah on 1841/1851 as yours... was contacted via pm to a reasearcher of this couple and family is very different from yours.

Wanted to know if I could link her family to yours, but don't think there is a direct connection, although maybe removed cousins?  Advised her to post on board, so that others may help.

Also my records for Glam only go to pre 1837 registration.

Hope this helps some

Cas