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Re: Anyone Looking For Cunningham And Swales In Yorks?
« Reply #117 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 10:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bob,

I must say it's great to have someone recollect memories of these by gone days even if some not so good.  Certainly anybody who has done family history of travellers would realise it was a hard life, especially for the women and children.    And Southbank "Slaggy Island" was the place to go for work and so many of the travellers ended up there.

I am aware of the Adams being cousins of the Harkers and have been told before that the Fosters were also cousins, but never pursued that line.

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Rodgers; Smith; Banks; Lawson; Mead; Horseley; Firth: Whitby, Lythe,Loftus, North Yorkshire.
Harker,Swales, Stephenson: Stokesley, Stockton,  South Bank, Middlesbrough Yorkshire.
Tapp, Nosworthy: Devon & Middlesex, London

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« Reply #118 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 22:28 GMT (UK) »
Some readers on this site might find the Leeds Romany Travellers site for Leeds and Yorkshire interesting, its called the Leeds Travellers Exchange.   

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« Reply #119 on: Wednesday 16 May 12 20:04 BST (UK) »
My 3 x Great Grandmother was Hannah Cunningham, born 1819 in Market Weighton, daughter of Richard Cunningham & Mary Miller who were Hawkers of Pots.

Hannah married Richard Arnold, born 1817 in Malton, son of Joseph Arnold & Ann Busfield. The Arnold's were also Hawkers of Pots.

I've been unable to find the Arnold family on the 1851 census despite the fact that they seem to have been resident in Market Weighton throughout. They married there in 1841 and 2 of their children were also baptised there either side of that census so perhaps they were on their travels at that point?! The whole family are listed as Hawkers, including the children from 1861 onwards.

Richard is an interesting one as after Hannah's death in 1880, you can find him on the 1881 census staying with his sister Susannah Davey (another Hawking family) in Bridlington. By 1891 he is in a caravan near York with a 'wife' Elizabeth who is in her 70's and a 'daughter' Katharine who is around 17, so something doesn't quite add up there as there is no re marriage and Katharine was not a daughter born to his first wife Hannah! I've not been able to fathom who these 2 people actually are as Richard was buried with Hannah in Market Weighton when he died.

The inter-marrying really is mind boggling isn't it! 2 of the Arnold daughter's married 2 Swales brothers (sons of Jeremiah) and Susannah Davey's daughter also married a Swales!

I'd love to hear from anyone else connected to the Cunningham/Arnold branch  :)

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« Reply #120 on: Wednesday 16 May 12 21:18 BST (UK) »
There was a traveller / hawker / gyspy / called Cunningham from Hull, who won the VC in 1917, during the Great War of 1914- 1918 [RIP]  Look up VC winners, there all listed on Google. My lot were the Wilson's from Stockton, Darlington and York, they seemed to roam from York to Kirbymoorside, and from York via Thirsk to Stockton and Darlington. This was during the 1850 to 1900 period. They would have all known each other as Market Weighton is not that far away from York.  Why they stopped at Kirbymoorside I don't know as there's now't there. Maybe they were heading for a week out at Whitby and it was a convenient halt for the horses, which was the half way point between York and Whitby.   


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« Reply #121 on: Wednesday 16 May 12 22:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that info, I'll look him up. I'm sure he'll be related somehow!

I believe Richard Cunningham (4 x Great Grandfather) had a sister named Grace who maried a John Wilson (any relation to your Wilson's?) in Thorne in 1814.

Their daughter, Elizabeth Wilson married Jeremiah Swales! Confused? I am!

Grace Cunningham/Wilson was hit by a train and killed at a level crossing in Beverley when she was in her 80's, she was still described as being a Hawker of Pots

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« Reply #122 on: Thursday 13 September 12 11:26 BST (UK) »
I'm currently looking into my Cunningham ancestors from Middlesbrough. The furthest back I can get is to a John Cunningham born 1832 in Scarborough so he may originate from the same people being discussed in this thread. Does anyone have info on this John? I know he mustve moved to Middlesbrough at some point, Linthorpe area specifically and he married Margaret Cunningham (nee unknown) there. I fear he must've died young(ish) as Margaret later re-married.

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« Reply #123 on: Thursday 13 September 12 11:27 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #124 on: Saturday 03 November 12 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi there I am related to john vc he is my great great uncle
Please can someone contact me if they have found anymore info. I'm a cunningham ancestor (my mother until she married)
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« Reply #125 on: Saturday 03 November 12 14:02 GMT (UK) »
CUNNINGHAM,VC. 

A brave feat, he attacked 10 WW1 German troops single handedly and killed all 10.
All VC awards are posted on the internet with a citation record, see below for citation.

In the 1940 period my father used to say (this is hearsay and may not be correct) John came back to Hull a VC hero, bought a horse and cart, painted on the back of it Cunninham VC, Metal dealer, Hull. and went out tatting. He had a habit of getting drunk whilst in  charge of an horse and cart but he would not be arrested because ' after all he was a VC'.

Firms loved dealing with him as the VC carried a lot of weight in 1918 -1938, as it does today. I think he died quiet young, There's a school he attended of Holderness Road, Hull, which contains a plaque for him as 'one of the old Boys and a VC Winner'.  See Wiki ; quote as follows.

*John Cunningham VC (28 June 1897 – 21 February 1941) was an English recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces. John was born in Swains Yard off Manley Street, Scunthorpe and was the eldest son of Charles and Mary Cunningham. Cunningham was 19 years old, and a private in the 12th (Service) Battalion, (the Hull Sportsmen's Pals battalion), The East Yorkshire Regiment, 31st Division during the First World War, at the Battle of the Somme, when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.  On 13 November 1916, the opening day of the Battle of the Ancre (the final offensive of the Battle of the Somme), attacking from opposite Hebuterne the 31st Division was to seize the German trenches and form a defensive flank north of Serre. After the enemy's front line had been captured, Private Cunningham went with a bombing section up a communication trench where much opposition was met and all the rest of the section were either killed or wounded. Collecting all the bombs from the casualties Private Cunningham went on alone and when he had used up all the bombs he had he returned for a fresh supply and again went up the communication trench where he met a party of 10 Germans. He killed all 10 and cleared the trench up to the new line.
His Victoria Cross is displayed at York Regimental Museum, England.
John was married to Eva Harrison in Jun 1917 at Hull and had two children, Annie who died in infancy and John who was born in 1920 at Hull. John Cunningham died 20 February 1941 at 5 Beaufort Terrace Campbell Street Hull aged 43 years and his funeral took place in Hull on 24 February 1941, John is buried in grave No: 17509, compartment No; 180 at the Western Cemetery Hull.

** Pathe New are selling a vidoo of him with his family for £30.00 'see Pathe wwwsite.

** Hull Victoria Cross Winners Memorial             (Photos of memorial)

Private John Cunningham VC
2nd Lieutenant John Harrison VC MC
Boatswain John Sheppard VC CGM
Sergeant William Bernard Traynor VC

EAST YORKSHIRE REGIMENT / SEE . HULLS PALS /

The Hull Pals won two Victoria Crosses in the First World War. They were awarded to Pte John Cunningham of the Hull Sportsmen battalion on the 13th November 1916 for his heroic actions in the Battle of the Somme and 2nd Lt. John Harrison of the Hull Tradesmen in Oppy, France on the 3 May 1917. 2nd Lt. John Harrison was tragically killed in the assault that led to his award. His wife Lillian was presented with his Victoria Cross at Buckingham Palace by King George V in 1918.