James Coppins - born c1783 Lenham

[lrc2530]

Hello,
My husband's 4xgreat grandfather was James Coppins who according to the 1851 census was born approx 1783 in Lenham, Kent.  He was married to an Elizabeth. (I only know she was born approx 1786 in Borden)

As usual with the Coppins' there is a query.

From the 1861 census there was also another James Coppins born approx 1783 Lenham.  He was married to Rebecca. In the 1851 census it just states he was born in Kent.

According to other genealogy websites (which I am not sure are proven or not) Thomas Coppins and Sarah Earl had a son James born 1783 Lenham.

How do I find out if that is my James' parents or the
other James'?
Is there anyone out there who has access to the Lenham parish records who could help me.
Thomas and Sarah also had a daughter called Mercy.  My James also named his daughter Mercy and in fact it goes down through the generations with various siblings, cousins etc.  Unfortunately the other James and Rebecca don't have any children with them on their census' so I can't see if there is any link with family names etc.
Any advice would be gratefully received.
Lynda

[BettyofKent]

Hi Lynda

I've got Lenham Baptisms 1558-1960

There's no Baptism for a James COPPINS around 1783.

However, there's a Baptism for a James COPPENS, son of Thomas & Sarah,  30th March 1783.

There's quite a few Coppins baptisms, so I'll double-check after lunch

I've also got Borden marriages, but there's nothing for a James Coppins (or variants) marrying an Elizabeth.


Betty

[casalguidi]

Hi Lynda

There is a marriage for a James COPPINS to Elizabeth WHITNAL at Westwell 1805 but whether it is the one you want

http://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/

Casalguidi

[BettyofKent]

I've looked at COPPEN, COPPENS, COPPIN & COPPINS.
There's no other Baptism for a James in Lenham.

Possibly your Mercy's Baptism:

12th March 1780  Mercy  d of Thos. & Sarah COPPEN
Born 11th Feb.

There are other children for a Thomas & Sarah, yell if you would like the details.

Betty

[wdurham]

Hi, Lynda -

A check in the Lenham Banns reveals that a James COPPENS of Lenham and Elizabeth CLEVERLY of Boughton Malherbe had banns read in Lenham on 15 Dec 1782.  A note says they were not married in Lenham.

A check on the Mid Kent Index mentioned above by Casalguidi shows that they were married in Boughton Malherbe on 1st Jan 1783.

Perhaps SKS who has Boughton marriages would look it up for you to see if there is any further detail which would indicate who his family were?

This could well be the "other" set of parents.

[BettyofKent]

Marriage in Boughton Malherbe
1st Jan 1783  by Banns

James COPPINS  of Lenham
Elizabeth CLEVERLY  otp
Witnesses: Rob't Cuckow  Sam Cleverly


Betty

[lrc2530]

Many thanks everyone for your replies.  Will now have a look and see if James Coppins and Elizabeth Cleverly had any other children and see if the name Mercy appears there.  Hopefully not and then it will seem as if I am possibly the right track with Thomas Coppins and Sarah Earl.
Lynda

[Paul coney]

Is there a connection with James Coppins/Coppens with connections to England/South Africa  we are also trying to find out about a James Coppens born around this time period ?