Hi, Livia. And Others.
Jeenie's OH here. Jeeni's gone to bed.
John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth nee Miller are Jeenie's ancestors too.
Not signing on that much any more, your posting has been mist until now.
John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth nee Miller are Jeenie's ancestors too, and have several pages of their descendaents,
and ancestors, and can answer most questions,
re lineage. Unfortunately, for technical reasons, can't print out the most up to date, only photocopy from printout last May 06. Perhaps you can pm Jeenie.
But your Volunteer helpers have provided info also that Jeenie does not have, and it is a happy circumstance. (As an aside, pls refer to
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=290688.new;topicseen#new.....dee has picked up that there are actually 2 x John Snell who have the same year of birth, the 1918 death is correct, as she says. (refer prev para)
I wouldn't necessarily say that eg John Train's DoD as the 28th is necessarily a typing error. Another ancestor Samuel Pearce' DoB is recorded in many places as 3 Nov 1824 (ie, obviously originally from his Tombstone, and carried on), but I have found his Baptism in 3 places in England as 3 Nov 1822, and looking closely at the Headstone,
in Greens Plains Cemetary, it
may be read as 1821! - which last matches his age on the 1841 census! Also, Samuel's father is recorded on IGI as Andrew, when this should be Alexander!
Also after much searching, and after many many months, and using many wild cards, and variations, and rechecking BISA etc, trying much lateral thinking, we eventaully found mother Sarah Elizabeth's death of 23 May 1881 recorded under Saull! Jeenie has the Death Certificate. (John's too, and etc, etc.)
It is noted that her mother Ann's 28 May 1870 Death Certificate says age 77, (which possibly means 77th year), so, if correct, she was born in 1792 or 3, or 1794 - which "matches" the range from the 1841 census. These details were provided by the daughter-in-Law, not the son [John] (although there was probably no family difficulties (?) because they had 16 children from 1857 [another John], regularly, ranging from every 11 months to start until 21 months in 1881, when she died, of puerperal fever.)
For us both, the Train family is unusual, inasmuch neither of us usually records more than the immediate family (
usually just parents) of one who is not a blood relative, but marries one (ie, James Hay Train is not), but he arrived with his sister Mary and parents James and Agnes on the
Epaminondas in 1852. Mary subsequently married George Clifton whose daughter Agnes married Arthur Elliott Pearce, another blood relative of Jeenie's.
We both started investigating each our own family trees (mine are basically European and a couple of Irish, but Jeenie's are or were all UK, but both with numerous generations in SA), many many years ago, before internet, and well before computerized SA BDM records, in order to see who we are related to.
It used to be said that everyone in SA was related in one way or another, and RootsChat seems to be proving it. Maybe as a futher suggestion, after reading the next postings I am going to put on before I eventually bed myself, perhaps you might like to pm Cando, and maybe .....dee also.
It is obvious that you have all put in considerable work to help Livia, so I was trying to complete, coming up 4 am, and post this before you all start again in the morning.
JOH.