Marion Calderwood

[nicwnacw]

I have sorted out the two Maggies - Isabella died (possibly in childbirth) and James married Maggie (Mary) McGill.

I LOVE SCOTLANDS PEOPLE I have gone back from my day to my GG Granparents in two nights and £12.00, with some help from Rootschat - brilliant!

Thank you

Nicwnacw

[MonicaL]

Firstly, there is a marriage showing, likely for the right James, of a James Calderwood and Isabella McDougall in 1879 Ayrshire. There is also a death showing for an Isabella McDougall/Calderwood in 1888 also in Ayrshire.

This is their 1881 census entry:

Jas Calderwood, Labourer At Rubber Works, b. Kilmarnock
Isabella Calderwood, b. Stevenston
John Calderwood, 3, b. Kilmarnock
James Calderwood 1, b. Kilmarnock

Address: 20 Douglas St, Kilmarnock

There is also the marriage for a James Calderwood to a Maggie McGill in 1888 in Kilmarnock.

On the other censuses, this is the 1891 one - everyone showing as born in Kilmarnock apart from Maggie Snr.:

Jas Calderwood    35
Maggie Calderwood 29
John Calderwood 16
James Calderwood 13
Bella Calderwood 11
Maggie Calderwood 6
Lilly Calderwood 6 Mo, b. Glasgow

Address:  36 Adelphi St, Govan

The 1901 is confusing. Can't see where the other Maggie comes in as a daughter

James Calderwood 45
Maggie Calderwood 39
James Calderwood 21
Bella Calderwood 17
Maggie McD Calderwood 16 - daughter of Isabella
Maggie McG Calderwood 13 - where was she in 1891? This is the year that Isabella died and James remarried Maggie
Lily Calderwood 10
Marion Calderwood 6
Marion McGill    10

Address: 17 Burnside St, Dumbarton

Unusual to have the two girls with the same first name (names can be reused when the first child died but not normally used like this  ) Could Maggie McG been Maggie's child before her marriage to James I wonder? Where was she though in 1891 I wonder.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Our posts crossed over, I was busy seaching and you were busy viewing. We got there! Still not sure about about the two Maggies though.

[nicwnacw]

I am not convinced about the two Maggies but the 1901 suggests to me that one was the daughter of Isabella and the other of Maggie McGill, must have been hellish confusing yelling for Maggie with three of them in the house!

So it turns out I am not related to Isabella but to Maggie McGill. i am having some trouble reading the extracts, hopefully it will get easier with practice.

Are the actual copies they send any easier to read, at £10.00 quite expensive (compared to the English and Welsh ones at £7.00).

My youngest is happy I have told him he can play rugby for any of the home nations his dad is Irish, I am English his Grandad is Scottish and he is Welsh! Maybe we should just sign him up for the British Lions!

Nicwnacw

[MonicaL]

Your son is set for a big future 

The images available on line are mostly quite readable but occasionally a nightmare to read particularly when faint. It does get easier the more you see them and get familiar with the style.

You can also always contact SP via email and they will send you via email a supposedly enhanced section where you are having a problem (link for this on SP www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=1210) Also, you can post sections (not the whole image) where you are having a problem reading here on RootsChat for additional help making them out.

Paper copies tend to be much more readable but you only need these for those certificates outside the online viewing periods.

Monica

[2oldscots]

Hi there,hope I can add pieces to your jigsaw.
Have no information of the marriage of Lilias Cuthbertson to John Calderwood.
Lilias parents Hugh Cuthbertson & Jane Cuthbertson [m.s. appears to Cuthbertson]

James [son of Liluias] Born 19/4/1856 Kilmarnock.
[Scotlands People Statutory Births 597/00 0335]
I have no record of Lilias' other children.

Lilias Calderwood died 27/6/1869. She died in child birth.
[Scotlands People Statutory Deaths 597/00 0284]

Lilias' first born James married Isabella McDougall in 1876
[Scotlands People Statutory Marriage 597/00 0107]

James & Isabella had 2 sons I know of, John Born 1878c: James Born 1880c.
I have the same census as you
I have no record of Isabella's death. You have more info than I have.

James remarried Maggie McGill 23/10/1888
[Scotlands People Statutory Marriage 597/00 0157]
It states in this record  James Calderwood,  Hairdresser,  Journeyman, Widower

Marion Calderwood [ my grandmother] the daughter of James & Maggie was born 2/9/1894
[Scotlands People Statutory Births 496/00 046]

Marion had three children
James Born 1913c Died in WW2 Singapore Date of Death 21/9/1944
Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders 2nd. Bn. [CWGC]
Married to Constance Mary Calderwood  of Lee London.

John [my father] Born 1914

Marion Born 1916 known as Maisie lived in Stranraer and married a Davitt.

I have only just started searching my family tree and hope I have been of some help.

 Jim Calderwood

[MonicaL]

Hi Jim

Welcome to RootsChat 

Hopefully you and nicwnacw will be able to compare notes!

Monica

[nicwnacw]

Hi Jim

I am a little confused, we seem to have the same people but from what you say you are a Calderwood and I assume that your father was also. This says to me that either Marion had three children out of wedlock or she married another Calderwood and the later lied when she married my grandfather Alexander Smith on 7/3/1924 ref 500/02 0005.

From this marriage there were 5 children, Agnes 1924/5-1970 (ish); Alexander 1927 ish (living), Robert Bruce (my father ) 1929-1998, James and twin sister Margaret 1936, James died 2006 Margaret has Alzheimers.

Do you have any further info?

Sandra

[nicwnacw]

Hi All

Just looking on Scotlands People to find out about Jim's reply today. nan's b cert has a date under her mothers name is this the date of marriage? If so it doen't match what I have found previously