Island Magee help please

[wdyw]

thanks for the advice, I was wondering why the help messages didn't seem to match what I was seeing on screen.

[Strawman]

The fact that James Flack 1794-1883 married twice, he's my maternal great-great-great grandfather, has made my research extremely difficult. In my family tree, I had him married to Ellen McCargo Hawthorn, but this thew out of kilter those people I knew were my other ancestors, ie. William Dick 1834-? and Frances Flack 1824-? married in 1848. If Eliza was JF's first wife, please, does anyone have her maiden name and the dates of their marriage along with her birth and death? My great grandmother was Janet Dick 1854-1927, who was married to my great grandfather, Edmund Earwood 1858-1918. Thanking you all in anticipation. 

[wdyw]

Hi Strawman,

Your info ties in partly with Talltrees info on page 1 (nobody I know who has been interested in James Flack/Fleck has been able to contact Talltrees unfortunately) but not with mine and Bhaven's(??) info. James first wife Eliza (1824 - 24-6-1858) was only born in 1824 (according to our family records and the gravestonene) with Ellen McCargo being born in 1821. Our family records only have Jennifer, David and James as being Eliza and James children.

If Frances was a daughter it does suggest ....a third marriage prior to Eliza and Ellen.

[Strawman]

Hi wdyw,

Thanks for your help. I have to confess that the more I look into the Irish connection of my family, and the further back that I go, the more complicated it becomes. Frances' full name is known as being Frances Arabella Newcomb Stanus Flack. I've traced both Edmund Earwood and Janet Dick back through both Irish and English records (Census and others.) and these I would say are 100% accurate. Somewhere, I have copied census records from other members of her family, so I had no reason to doubt them. However, I hadn't realised that James Flack had been married more than once. However, a researcher on the My Heritage links mentions three women and two sons as being James and Ellenore's children. I could not fit Frances into this side of his family, and can only deduce that Frances was born to another of his wives(?). This is a mystery that I would like to solve.

[talltrees]

Frances Dick [ nee Fleck] was born to James Fleck/flack in 1824  and died a few years later in 1857 she was born to James with his first wife who we think might have had the name Eliza could have had the surname of one of Frances's middle names but not sure. They also had we think several more children two of whom were James the first one died young and the second took his name which was usual to do then. Frances married William Dick in 1848 and had two daughters Catherine in 1851 and Sophia a couple of years later. Found her tombstone in Islandmagee not easy to read, this that her mother might be buried in the same area but couldn't find it when we visited a couple of years ago. Have got more information on the Dicks as well.

[mwylie]

I wonder if anyone can give me some direction on how to trace my  husband's gr.grandparents.  He believes Arthur originates from Scotland.

He has birth cert. 26 Mar 1884, of Ellen Lusk.   Father is Arthur Lusk of Island Magee and Mother is Ellen Lusk formerly Fleck.

Marriage of Arthur and Ellen 1 June 1865 at Island Magee Second Presbyterian Church, District of Larne, Antrim.

Are there any census or parish records I can access?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jean

[mwylie]

I wonder if anyone can give me some direction on how to trace my  husband's gr.grandparents.  He believes Arthur originates from Scotland.
He has birth cert. 26 Mar 1884, of Ellen Lusk.   Father is Arthur Lusk of Island Magee and Mother is Ellen Lusk formerly Fleck.

Arthur Lusk, father Arthur Lusk, married 1st June 1865, Ellen Flack/Fleck, father Robert Fla(e)ck.

Children of Arthur and Ellen Lusk, all registered in Larne/Ballycarry district:
   Mary Jane  - 26 Aug 1865
   William – 18 Feb 1870
   Agnes    – 22 Aug 1872
   Abby (Abigail) – 18 Feb 1875
   James    -  25 May 1877
   Charlotte -  18 April 1880 [died 13 Sept 1895]   
   Alexander  – 05 Sep 1882 [died 21 Mar 1883]
   Elen/Ellen – 25 Mar 1884
   Annie   -  03 Oct 1887

Arthur Lusk, senior, is listed in property Valuation books for Ballyharry, Island Magee, renting a house and small garden at 1B b, between circa 1861 and 1878, latter date is when name is overwritten in book and is likely a periodic revision date.
Island Magee - there is no record of any other Lusk names in Griffith’s Valuations circa 1861 nor are there any Lusk names in the Tithe Applotment books of 1834.

An Arthur Lusk died on 31 January 1875, aged 76 years – registered in Larne/Ballycarry district.

An Arthur Lusk listed at 1Bd, Ballyharry, renting a house from 1886 to 1891.
Apparently, the family then moved to Belfast and is listed at 12 Ritchie Street in 1901 census.

Arthur died between 1901 and 1911- there are 2 Arthur Lusk death registrations in this period, 1902 and 1908, but their quoted ages do not fit with that derived from the 1901 census.

The probable date of death is 01 September 1908, with age given as 57, as he was still listed in Ritchie St. in 1908 street directory. This age would mean that he was born 1851and he would thus have been 14 when he married! It is likely that his age was 67 – perhaps misinterpretation of age on certificate or by informant.

Daughter Mary Jane married Andrew Meneely/Meneilly, mariner, on 12 March 1891 and lived next door to her parents in 1901, per census (Maneely). Known children - Ellen 1891, John 1894-96, John 1896, Margaret (May) 1899, Arthur 1902, Andrew 1904.
Living at Mileriver Street (Maneely) in 1911 (census index names it as Mileriver Road!)
John was listed with Robert Lacey in 1911 census.

Daughter Abby/Abigail married William Charles Cain on 27 Dec 1906, daughter Helen Kathleen born 1910.

Daughter Annie married Robert Lacey/Lacy on 14 July 1908 and Ellen Lusk and remaining family members are listed with them at 62 Shore Road, Belfast, in 1911 census.

Daughter Ellen married William Green on 25 December 1911. Two possible children – Ellen 1913 and Mary 1914.

I wonder if anyone can give me some direction on how to trace my  husband's gr.grandparents.  He believes Arthur originates from Scotland.

He has birth cert. 26 Mar 1884, of Ellen Lusk.   Father is Arthur Lusk of Island Magee and Mother is Ellen Lusk formerly Fleck.

Marriage of Arthur and Ellen 1 June 1865 at Island Magee Second Presbyterian Church, District of Larne, Antrim.

Are there any census or parish records I can access?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jean

[helenar]

Hi

Not sure if this will help you

Esq At Ballywalter Ireland aged 66 years Mrs Cairns relict of the late Surgeon Cairns of Donaghadee and last surviving daughter of the late Captain Arthur Lusk who cirq eumnnvigated the globe with Lord Anson

From 1817 register of deaths. The Scots Magazine google books on page 99 if link doesn't work

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=dFs3AQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA99&lpg=RA1-
PA99&dq=arthur+lusk+of+scotland&source=bl&ots=u4SOe_lwVG&sig=mbBTlPeOVvYaI1O1yPHQdb8pYOc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7aRRVeYeyYDyBcjEgMAE&ved=0CB0Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=arthur%20lusk%20of%20scotland&f=false

[aghadowey]

"Apparently, the family then moved to Belfast and is listed at 12 Ritchie Street in 1901 census."
12 is the enumerator’s number for the household and may not be the street number of the house.

Online tree with much the same information that you have- http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lusk-301

See also this topic-

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Arthur Lusk and Ellen Fleck (or Flack) were married in June 1865 in Islandmagee 2nd Presbyterian Church. Arthur may have been a seaman and his father was Arthur as well. I've heard through the family that the younger Arthur died at about age 65 with a stroke.  Ellen's father was Robert Fleck, of Islandmagee.
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