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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 09:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Lee,
Yes this area is very worth a visit!! I agree Jaywit.

The 1880 child of William Moody and Hannah Lambert--this is legit!!!!  ie William Moody Lambert married Hannah M Leather in 1878.

I have a few women cropping up in the family with a whole string of illeg children- and wonder if the explanation could  sometimes be that this is the result of a stable relationship with just one father, perhaps a married man?
looks like a lot of certificates need to be bought. Was it illegal to enter a fathers name on a certificate without a declaration of paternity in the mid 19th cent??

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London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 11:41 BST (UK) »
I realized late last night I had made a mistake on that baptism and it was in fact legitimate
This is what the law said about the father's name on the birth cert.
 http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm#COL4 
 I think this is why the father's name was used as a christian name, the mother going to register the birth wanted something legal and this was the only way she could do it.
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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 12:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Jaywit,
Thank-you for that link, very useful.--it would be nice if the ancestors had stuck to the guidelines on birth certs though! I have bought certs for the half sibs of an ancestor hoping for the mother's "formerly" name, to my great disapointment she only revealed her first married name. Silly women.

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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore

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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 12:31 BST (UK) »
Sally I think the problem was that it all depended on what questions were asked. Try and think yourself back to those days, an Ag Lab's wife or daughter. The only time they came into contact with anyone in any official capacity was when they had to deal with the local vicar, and chances were in a village he knew everything that was going on ;D ;D ;D
Civil registration came in, weddings in church basically carried on as they always had, banns read etc. the vicar just filled in the certificate. Deaths, had to be registered, so a trip to the RO. Many people hadn't had a doctor attending them, just the village 'nurse' If their was no spouse or child to register the death then she had to do it  as the person present at death. That's why you get causes of death such as 'natural decay'.
Births, if married then the husband could and often did register, perhaps combining a trip to the RO with a trip to market. Illegitimate births basically had to be the mother unless she was too ill to go.  If the mother was asked the question ' Mrs Smith what was your name before you married Mr Smith' Then her upbringing would be to answer that question correctly 'It was Jones' without going into the details that she had been Jones nee Brown.
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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 17:26 BST (UK) »
well yes Jaywit!! its all very explainable but none the less annoying!!
WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore

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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 05 June 08 10:00 BST (UK) »
Just found your thread, if you find a bit more and need help after the look up in the register, I have access to births and deaths for Nottingham and can help too.
One of my Wards had land in Norwell 1824, well you never know! He also had a beerhouse.
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Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 05 June 08 17:01 BST (UK) »
 Lee Woo Hoo You have hit the jackpot ;D ;D ;D
William named his father on his marriage cert as Matthew Moody bricklayer, must be one and the same as Sally found in the 1851 census.
 I have more information for you, but I must go and prepare and eat dinner. I will be back later.
Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Steel Byfield Northants,  Rogers Northants,  Wheeler Oxon,  Roberts Oxon,  Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants,  Maycock Northants,  Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.

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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 05 June 08 19:09 BST (UK) »
Lee I have PMed you with some information.
Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Steel Byfield Northants,  Rogers Northants,  Wheeler Oxon,  Roberts Oxon,  Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants,  Maycock Northants,  Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.

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Re: Publican in 'Norwell'
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 05 June 08 21:09 BST (UK) »
Lee I have PMed you with some information.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

Simply fantastic. Can't thank you enough.

I'll no doubt 'see' you around and will get some tips for when i visit the area.

All the best to everyone who has helped.