Journey of Alfred & Edith Phillips to Alberta, c.1911

[mel.merri]

Jennifer

Thanks to all of your contributions, I am now in a bigger
quandary than ever !!! LOL!

I have dug up two potential marriages for my Alfred,
but you're not going to like what I found. They don't match
these entries at all:

Alfred Henry Phillips   
    Father:    William Walton Phillips
    Spouse:    Mary D'Ombrain
    Marriage: 14 SEP 1892  Kingston, Surrey, England
              
Alfred Phillips
    Father:    John Phillips OR Deceased
    Spouse:    Alice Frances Barker        Marriage: 24 DEC 1906  Kingston, Surrey, England

Obviously we have at least one Alfred from another lineage,
but which one?

At this point I must leave them all in position, while I try to
learn more.

Any info on what became of the Alberta group? Did they
show up further on any records, or go home to UK later?

I should add that my Gallwey group had to go to England
as Frank needed leg surgery and was booked in to see
a Harley Street surgeon. After surgery, he was advised
not to live in a cold climate, so they migrated to Australia.

That's all from my ruminations today ...
Hope we'll find some more soon from either your resources
or my efforts ...
Thanks so much everyone.
Mel         

[JenB]

See why I thought I had it all worked out?

Mel, I'm sorry but I'm afraid I don't see at all, I am totally confused - so many seemingly unrelated facts and much speculation.

To start with, what hard evidence do you have that this family in Canada belong to your Phillips family? Phillips is a very common name.

Jorose --- Thanks so much. This is fantastic.
I think that curious date is not 1881 but 1861.
I had two Edith's as possibilities for spouse,
so this would fit, and she's a couple of years
older than Alfred -- bit of a repeat pattern
through this whole Phillips line.

Just to re-emphasise - Ediths date of birth is given as June 1881 and her age as 30. The date is not 1861.

And it is intriguing to consider that perhaps Alfred married,
or just travelled with Edith to Alberta Canada in 1911, while
my grandmother, and mother were still there with my
grandfather  -- presumably Alfred was paying them all a visit.
Could Edith be a niece, the child of his bro. Wm. and
whichever Edith he married? --- Puzzles again ...
Any suggestions, please? 

As I said before, Alfred did not travel to Canada with Edith in 1911, he travelled in 1906 with Phyllis and a C. Phillips. The census shows that Edith had arrived in Canada in 1908. Whether or nor she was already married to Alfred before she arrived I don't know.

Any info on what became of the Alberta group? Did they
show up further on any records, or go home to UK later?

I'm afraid I don't have access to any information later than the 1911 census.

I am very happy to help with facts but not with speculation. You need to prove a definite link between your Phillips family and the Alberta one.

Jennifer

[mel.merri]

Hi again,

Too bad there's that 1911 cutoff ...

And while you're busy trying to keep
it all real, with no superlatives, I should
also refer you back to my comment earlier,
"Alfred Phillips [if the right one] ... is half-brother of
Grace,  but I did not realize they were close enough
that he would move near her. But as they were in a
different town, maybe he is not that Alfred ...

This is such a tricky family, as there are just so many
of the same names, it is really a torment to be sure ..."

I do like to stay upbeat and happy, but I'm very
aware the appearance of an Alfred in Alberta,
while my Phillips grandmother was there too
could just be a total coincidence ...

Thanks so much for your look ups and the feedback.
Keep that smile ... and bright eyes shining too ...

Kind regards
Mel

[jorose]

I think you should go back and look at your Phillips family. You obviously have some general information about them - Grace, a half-brother Alfred, another half-brother William who married an Edith - but you don't seem to have any details of dates, etc, or who the parents were. And I can't


Frank's war records are listed on Australia recordsearch under the name Francis Vivian Gallwey, at which point he is living in Queensland and b. Spain in 1880.  You can see those here:
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx

On Queensland bmds, there is a daughter in 1914 to Francis Vyvian Gallwey and Grace Marguerita Phillips.

I'm still having very little luck finding anything out about the movements of the Gallweys - they don't seem to appear on findmypast at all!

Also if you're looking for these marriages on the IGI etc, you need to be aware that the coverage is very poor for later years. On freebmd, there's 22 possible hits for Alfred Phillips/Edith marriages between 1891 and 1911, and 69 for William Phillips/Edith for the same time period.

[mel.merri]

Jorose ~ Your knowledge is remarkable.
I did not know about the Australian access you have
introduced me to. Frank is definitely Francis Vivian!
He wasn't born in Spain, but at Sea near Madeira Is.
which belongs to Portugal, so I wonder how it got
under Spain ... We tried looking in so many logical
places, but that's definitely illogical!!! -- LOL!

How did you manage to look up the Queensland BMDs?
I didn't think anyone could unless a public servant!!!
Can anyone use them, and if so, how do I access this?

My Gallweys were from Ireland, and Franks mother was
British born in Tasmania, but married in Natal, now S. Af.
She moved to UK when her father retired from his post as
Col. Sec of Natal, as she and husband, Sir Michael, had
fallen out, and raising a baby without family support would
be impossible. It was enroute to UK that Frank was born.

So Lady Gallwey may be listed in London as Mrs G. or as
Lady Frances Gallwey, or under Sir M.H. Gallwey, with the
usual spelling errors which clerks seem impelled to make ...
Frank is a mystery to me, and I have searched and searched,
but your knowledge is far superior on Family History sources,
so you may trump me easily, and I'll love your findings ...!!!

I believe they arrived in London in 1878, and the birth
record may be wrong in saying 1880 too, or perhaps he
fibbed, to cover up being so much younger than gran,
b. 1871!!!  But if you try 1878 too ... you may find him. At
any rate he was a Royal Engineer in Britain, but not sure
if he escaped all the CENSUS there ... somehow!!!
Mel

[jorose]

For Queensland BMDs, try here:

http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/464.htm

From the Times, I did find Michael Henry Gallwey's obituary in 1912 - says he married Fanny Cadwallader, daughter of Major the Hon. David Erskine, in 1863. No children are mentioned. M. H. Gallwey was attorney-general of Natal from 1857 to 1890, chief justice from 1890 to 1901, and was knighted in 1888.

I would suggest looking in the SA archives. There is a record there of Sir Michael Gallwey enquiring after his son, Lieutenant Gallwey, in 1900.

[mel.merri]

Blimey, Jorose, do you have the URL for that SA query
from MHG to FVG? That is of special family interest!!

I will then pass it on to them, as we've cousins in
SA still. We none of us knew of this ...

You are a miracle in FH sleuthing ... !!!
Hugs
Mel