Wyllie Birth Cert

[Dave wyllie]

It’s been a while. Does anyone have any info about the elusive birth certificate?

[Annie123]

 I am sure I am a relative of the Wyllie / Roberts family you are asking about. My grandad Henry was born in Dumfries in 1895 to Jeanie Roberts ms /Wylie  and William Roberts.  My Grandad died in 1963. His daughter my mum Jeanie must have been called after her gran. As her middle name was Wylie.
I know the grandmother of my mum went on to marry a Smith from Cumnock.
My grandad had a sister called Elizabeth, know as Lizzie. She was also born a Roberts.
If you have any information I would be pleased to receive such. I have just started researching a wee bit and came across this site by accident.

[Hanan]

Hi Annie

Sorry to say I STILL haven't found a birth cert. It's a real puzzler.

Hanan

[MonicaL]

I know the grandmother of my mum went on to marry a Smith from Cumnock.

Welcome to RootsChat, Annie 

This looks to be the SP marriage entry for the second marriage:

JAMES SMITH
and
JANET WYLLIE
1908
613 / 2 / 9
Catrine

Marriage is also indexed with same refs for Janet Roberts & James Smith.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Has anyone delved deeper into this birth reg from 1882? Birth indexed twice in both Bridgeton and Bothwell. Normally this happens when a birth takes place in a district which is not the normal residence for the parents:

[MonicaL]

Just some thoughts.

I think what has thrown searches off is that Jeannie/jane/Janet mixed up her details such as age & surnames.

Looking at that 1882 birth cert for a David Donaldson Wylie. John Wylie and Jane Whitelaw did indeed marry in 1881 as showing on this David's birth reg.

Jane's parents were showing as an Alexander Whitelaw and Jane Allan (mother's name is a constant in later records for Jane). Jane is showing with her father and a brother in 1881:

Alexander Whitlaw 49 woolen weaver b. Glasgow
Jane Whitlaw 22 hand winder in factory b. Glasgow
Stephen Whitlaw 19 b. Glasgow

Address: 14 East Union Street, Glasgow/ Camlachie

This looks like her birth: Jane Whitelaw b. 6 Jun 1859 High Church, Glasgow.

Can't easily see the marriage to William Roberts so far but their entry for 1891:

Willm Roberts 52 hawker b. England (age mistranscribed?)
Jane Roberts 26 b. Glasgow
Daniel Roberts 5 (David? Daniel and David are first name variants)
Willm Roberts 2 b. Annan

Address: 13 Friars Vennel, Dumfries, Dumfriesshire

Has anyone checked the birth certs for the Roberts children to see what date is showing for their parents' marriage?

Monica

[MonicaL]

As already mentioned, the family were in Old Cumnock for 1901. William Roberts' age looks to likely be more accurate than the previous transcript.

Likely death for him in Old Cumnock in 1904. Aged 44. Mother's maiden name not given. Could well not be showing on the actual register if not known by the informant. Has anyone had a look at this death to confirm the details and that it is the correct death for William?

We then have Jane's marriage to James Smith in 1908 in Catrine. Her father has now become a John Wylie, a hawker  and mother Jane Allan, both deceased.

Jane's death in 1923 continues with parents as John Wylie and Jane Allan. She is showing as Janet on her death entry.

Monica

[Dave wyllie]

Another mystery is Donaldson. A middle name running through the family. Including me. 

[Dave wyllie]

Well i just spoke to my Ma ( happy mothers day). She tells me she found DDW to be born in Glasgow but all records were lost in a fire.
She’ll look for the name of the place