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[Lolly2881]

Thats what i dont know The Newfster, I am not sure if he lived over here from birth to death or went over a came back, i have nothing, the family dont know much either he died of TB after WW1 1919 dont think he told the family much about his life.

The only real records i have of him is the marriage.

thnks
Lorraine

[carol8353]

Can we rewind a little here 

So you have a marriage cert from 1905?

Is it Edward Foster Bates and Gertrude Isabella Style in West Ham ref 4a page 542 in the Jun 1/4?

Who were both their fathers,what jobs did they do,who were the witnesses and what age and addresses did the couple give.

Are they both single on marriage or was Gertrude married before- if you think the kids may not be his.

Regards

Carol

[Lolly2881]

Marriage cert
twenty eighth april 1905


Edward Foster Bates  28 years  Bachelor  Occ: Gardener  add: 120 Burchell Road, Leyton  father: James William Bates  father occ: Hotel Proprioter

Gertrude Isabella STyle 24 years Spinster  add: 120 Burchell Road, Leyton father: Thomas Style father occ: Cabinet Maker

In the precence of: T. Thelford and A. Sayer

[Necromancer]

and his daughter was born with her mothers name Isabella Julia Style.

I assume this is the daughters name - not the mothers ? 

Gertrude Isabella Style 24 years Spinster

cant see a birth entry with that full set of names .....


I can see a Gertrude E (might be Edith) visiting a West Ham address in 1901 - but she was born Stockwell .... and can be traced bacj to a father who is not Thomas.

Theres also an EDMONTON / Ponders End Gertrude around, but again her father isnt a Thomas.

[Necromancer]

I have suspicions about the 'fabrication' of Edwards fathers name ..... but Ms Styles may be a 'live un' ..... heres a Thomas and in the same district as she marries 25 years later - doubtful given the age etc that this man is her father, but could be related - often seen on Marriage Certs to give respectability .....


1881 - RG11/1728; Folio: 39; Page: 22 - Wanstead, West Ham
Wellesley Road
 
Thomas An. Styles 62  Widower Head Cabinet Manfr born Ramsgate
Mary Ann Styles 32  dau Hoxton

Next door is his brother Charles also a Cabinet Manufacturer

[Necromancer]

Strange that she cant be seen in 1901 ......... under any combo of Gertrude / Isabella etc ..... sadly Thomas et al have long gone.

[Necromancer]

Ah - what have we here ...

1901 -  RG13/1251; Folio: 41; Page: 7  -  Tottenham (Edmonton District)
57, Stonebridge Road

hard to read original surname as other than this, but could easily be a lazy B - and the other facts seem to support it.

Edward E Mates [sic] 23  Head GARDENER (own account) born Northumberland, Newcastle
Gertrude Mates 22  Wife London, Hoxton
Edward A Mater 6 weeks (ie 1Q1901 birth) Tottenham 

William* Mater [sic] 21 Brother 'At Laager Brewery' Warwickshire, Stratford on Avon


* His PoB is an excellent example of how things get misinterpreted - see 1881 / 91 

[Necromancer]

So that Birth Index entry you found should probably be followed up:-

i have looked on Freebmd and there are 100s of edwards, there is one edward forster bates (spelt like that) born in Newcastle but im not sure its him. 

[Tati]

Hi all 

The Edward born Newcastle looked very likely to me - he's in Edmonton registration district on later census - however his father is James Stephen and not a Hotel proprietor 

(1891: RG12/1080 58 6)