Cowe family, Eyemouth

[Beckey]

In 1841 Eyemouth Village, Milne Court.

James Cowe    38 Fisherman   Yes.
Euphemia        38                     Yes.
Helen              16                      Yes.   plus another 8 children.

The age would just fit with the 1851 census.

Do you know the name of the baby at all?

[April]

There's no IGI birth record for the baby and no death following on from Helen's death entry.

With the other Helen, she is recorded as being a widow with surname Cowe and her father's last name is Cromwell, so her married name I presume would be Cowe. I don't have anything further on her.

April

[Beckey]

I think that there is going to be a bit of confusion here, did Helen (James & Euphemia) marry a Cromwell or a Scott, there is no sign of her in 1851,if Cromwell and no sign of a Cromwell at Eyemouth 41/51.

[k3nnyc]

Thanks for the reply April, but just to add to the confusion I think the father listed on her death record is either her father-in-law or her son, both were hatters (or tailors).

To add even more confusion, Helen Cowe's son, Edward David Cromwell, on his marriage record it details "Helen Bowes" as his mother and David Cromwell as his father. It's just strange that on Helen's death record Edward Cromwell pops up as father. There's a miss-spelling somewhere, either Bowes or Cowe. This is my brick wall by the way!

[Beckey]

On IGI there is only a Joseph b. 25/10/1855 Eyemouth to John Scot & Helen Cowe and the Alice Cowe F.S 1842 could be Alison sister in Law.

Food for thought?

Found George on IGI b. 22/12/1858 Eyemouth to John & Helen, but not in 1861 census.

[excel]

Hello everyone,
Some great debates going on here! Unfortunately I haven't yet managed into Edinburgh to follow up on all of this but I think things are definitely becoming clearer, but not, unfortunately, for the Cromwell/Cowe side.  I have just been having another look and still can't find a Helen marrying a Cromwell or any births. Where are they hiding?

Thanks April for clearing up the confusion and letting us know that Helen Scott was the daughter of John and Euphemia.

I have no idea of the relationship between Alice and Helen.
Fascinating stuff!
Rae

[April]

My theory would be that Edward David Cromwell born c1844 was the illegitimate son of Helen Cromwell and David(?) Bowes. I have two occasions where the (illegitimate) groom has given the name of their grandfather as their father when they have married.

Helen is on the 1851 census under the name Ellen Cromwell born c1825 Paisley Scotland (nurse/washerwoman) in Queensberry Street, Dumfries. There is a David Bowes in the household aged 11 listed as son of head of the household but more likely to be Helen's son.

David Bowes can then be found in Coldingham in the 1861 census (Occ Tailor) boarding with the Doughty family. Also boarding in the household is 9 year old John Cowe born in England, so this looks to be David's half brother.

April

[Beckey]

To clear matters up, are we now saying that Helen (John & Euphemia) married John Scott 1844 Lamberton and that the Cromwell side does not come into the equasion.
The only reason that I am asking is that the Cowe family come into my wife's tree by marriage through Helen's brother Andrew.

Another thing, in the 1851 census John 26 Fisherman  Coldingham,
1861 John 38 Fisherman  Eyemouth.
There is no match in 1841 at Coldingham but there is one at Eyemouth.

Doctors Wynd,Eyemouth Vill.
John Scott  45 Fisherman  Yes.
Jane           45                     "
Isabel         25                    "  ( IGI bap 21/8/1815 Coldingham).
John            18                    ".
George        15                    ".
Jane            12                    "  (IGI 6/2/1827 Coldingham)
plus others.  The family are in Eyemouth 1851 all born Coldingham.

Per IGI a John Scott (father William) married Jane Moffat (father John) 20/9/1814 Coldingham.

Hope of some help or just mudding the waters.

[April]

Yes to all the above. A possible connection with Helen Cromwell would be if she married one of the Cowes and was Helen's sister in law.