Need help in finding a marriage in Hope

[wilcoxon]

John William Henry  Ramsbotton born 1892 was the son of Henry Ramsbottom and Margaret Ann , previously Roberts 
JWHR died 1978 in Wrexham.

I will send you PM`s  with more info, save getting the thread confusing.

[wilcoxon]

Trying to match up one pair of William  and Catherine’s and these seem to be a couple.

N Wales BMD
Wrexham Civil marriage  1902.
 Marriage of  Margaret A Ramsbottom to either David Roberts or Rees Williams. Probably Williams.

John William Henry Ramsbottom  was born August p 1892 at Bryn Bach, Caergwrle.
Father Henry was a labourer at a brickworks, mother was Margaret Ann , previously Roberts.
Margaret Ann registered the birth.

1891 living in 106 High St. Tower Hamlets Poplar London
Henry Ramsbottom 34 General labourer. b Ireland, Queens County.
Margaret “ wife 23 b Wrexham.

1891 Bryn Bach Hope.
William Roberts 57 b Hope
Catherine 59 b Hope

1881 living at Bryn Bach, Caergwrle , Hope.
William Roberts 47 fitters labourer b Hope
Catherine Roberts wife 50 b Pontblyddyn.

1881 Lower Street Hope
Ellen Roberts aged 17 born Hope is a servant with Lazarus Roberts a butcher aged 36 b Hope.
He is married with 5 children.
According to Family search his parents were William and Jane Roberts.

1871 Windy Hill Gwersyllt
William Roberts 37 engine driver  b Hope
Catherine wife 41 b Llanferres
Ellen 7 dau b Hope   c 1863/4
Margaret Ann 3 b Gwersyllt.  c 1867/8


 

[mistsofdawn]

Hi:

The way you put it seems to be right.  I contacted an old friend who lives just outside of Wrexham and he is going to contact the cemetery with the information I gave him regarding Margaret and William sr.  I also mentioned the William c 1833.  I am wondering why the William with the wife Catherine isn`t on the Hope film since he says he was born in Hope.  When I wrote down all of the Roberts`births, deaths and marriages I checked it 3 times.  I still have the film at the family history centre.  There was only one William and the William with Catherine was very consistent with each census unlike his wife.

[wilcoxon]

He could have been non conformist , there were many chapels in the area, but how many were open at that time I don`t know.
Genuki has a list but no dates.

[Rob Williams]

My father was William Williams son of John William Henry Ramsbottom born 09/09/1892 parents Margaret Ann Ramsbottom nee Roberts  and Henry Ramsbottom. My father was adopted by his grandmother Kitty Williams shop owner in mold or Hope. I am not sure if Henry and Margaret got married hence adoption. His grandfather was born in Queens county southern Ireland and may have came over during the famine but obviously the family must of came from Lancashire previously. My father lived in Bryn Bach which is now a Jack Russell dog rescue kennels.