PROFFITT and GARDINER - Brailes

[bobalong]

Firstly, I am sorry. I was convinced that there was a Ladbroke south of Warwick and assumed it was the one referred to. Checking up I am totally wrong and it is 2 miles south of Southam, as you say.

A couple more pieces of circumstantial evidence:

Anne Overton of the Parish of Southam was married there 22/10/1781.
Mary Overton of the parish of Southam was married there 1/8/1775.

These could be the daughters of Richard and Ann, indicating that they had moved to Southam.

However there is a William Overton married Elizabeth Davenport in Ladbroke in 1782.
and a William Overton b Southam 1737 to Thomas & Mary.



Bedtime now so I will leave it at that now. I'll do some more looking tomorrow.


Bob

[Trees]

right looking at the additional facts you have found
William/Elizabeth Davenport m Ladbroke 1782

our William and Elizabeth had their first child Frances 1777 Ladbroke which is better for William m Elizabeth 1776 Ladbroke
two William births
1737 Southam he was 39 in 1776 and 45 in 1782
1753 Ufton he was 23 in 1776 and 29 in 1782

So the one born in 1753 seems a better match for both marriages
The dates for children baptised in Ladbroke to William and Elizabeth:
1777,1778,1779,1781.....1785,1786, 1788, 1790,1794
It is possible that there are two couples involved I wonder was William married twice
Elizabeth Overton wife of William was buried Ladbroke 21 Mar 1781
Elizabeth overton daughter of William and Elizabeth was baptised 29 Mar 1781 and buried 21 Jun 1781 So it looks like William did marry the second Elizabeth If you look at the grooms signature on both marriages it is very similar even though there is no mention of marital state

So that just leaves the question of the Southam William
I think "our" William is the one baptised in 1753
what do you think?

[bobalong]

I agree. A second marriage was my thoughts and it was going to be my next exploration. I agree about the Williams as well. It would be nice to pin the earlier one down and I'll try and do that tonight.

Bob

[Trees]

I'm going to look at the Ann and Mary you have found marrying in Southam as you say they do look good for Richard's daughters Could have gone into service in Southam its the nearest sizable town
Next time you go to the RO in Warwick ask if they have any Bastardy records for Mary Overton Leamington 1850 you may be lucky I found a wealth of parish chest stuff for Willoughby there I was so lucky one of my Ellards was Overseer of the poor and another parish Clerk so thee was a lot to see.Its a nice friendly RO isn't it but its been ages since we were in the area.But as the baby was well provided for she may not have gone to the parish for assistance. Did you see how big Jesse overton's laundry was I am sure that was where mary was working.Did you see all the data they have found about William in Australia? http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=696804.msg5402446#msg5402446
They have found him marrying having a family and dying

[bobalong]

Haywards:

Elizabeth bapt 18/11/1797 to John & Catherine at Ladbroke.
Sarah      bapt 26/6/1794  "    "      "      "               "
William   bapt  24/1/1804  "     "     "      "               "

On 3/11/1823 a William Hayward of Ladbroke marries Hester Collet at Stretton On Dunsmore. The witnesses are Charles Hayward and Hannah Hayward. Charles is possibly the son of Dorothy and Edward and Hannah might be his other sister b 16/11/1800 or Charles' wife (?).
13/8/1826 William and Esther Hayward have a daughter, Sarah, baptised in Leamington.
At the 1841 census a Sarah Hayward, aged 15, is living with Elizabeth Overton, nee Hayward in Leamington.
Esther Collett was born in 1799 and an Esther Hayward died in Leamington 8/3/1840 who's birth was around 1800. There are some indications in the news precis I can read that a Hayward was up before the beak in the period 1826-1841, I can't see a William's death in Leamington before then.

So I reckon that William Hayward was out of the picture and Esther died so his sister, Elizabeth Overton, takes care of his daughter, Sarah.

So, yes, I am reasonably sure that they were sisters, daughters of John & Catherine (nee Lidbrook).

John & Catherine were married in Radford Semele in 1788, both being of the parish.

Bob

[Trees]

Well done Sherlock..er bob. That was a neat bit of detection great, that can be added in now Gosh I really think we have gone a long way working together thats what Rootschat is all about isn;t it.

[Trees]

A fellow chatter has this tree:
Sidney John Overton, bn 16/03/1899, Hampton Lucy, the youngest of 5 children of Thomas Overton, bn 1862, Hampton Lucy and Mary Heath bn 1869, Broadwell, Gloucestershire.

Thomas was the second child of William Overton bn 1824, Ufton and Esther Roadnight, bn 1837, Hampton Lucy.

William appears to be son of Thomas Overton bn 1786, Ladbrook and Jane Farr, bn 1793, Reddich.

As yet I haven't followed Thomas 1786 down. He was a son of William and Elizabeth Davenport. Can we have a look at him for a bit to help Kohab out? I'll try to do a bit in the morning but I'm busy with the meeting of the Clan so can't guarantee how much I'll be able to do until I get back mid week. (We leave Sunday morning so I need to pack, shop etc tomorrow

[Trees]

Had a quick look today and this all seems good
the 1851 census shows  William born 1823 ufton in Hampton Lucy
An..ry has an image of his baptism in Ufton
Name:    William Overton
Parish:    Ufton
Baptism Date:    10 Oct 1824
Father's Name:    Thomas Overton
Mother's name:    Jane Overton

Thomas and Jane had three children
Hannah Overton Leamington Priors, 29 Feb 1824
William above
Jane1831 Minverton I wondered about this one and found that Minverton is now considered a suburb of Leamington and she witnessed Hannah's marriage
When the girls marry they say their father was a labourer

Thomas married Jane
Name:    Jane Farr
Spouse Name:    Thomas Prieston
Marriage or Bann Date:    1 Aug 1823
Event Type:    Marriage
Parish:    Leamington Priors, All Saints

It took a bit of finding as you can see An..ry has mis transcribed Overton for Preston the image is clearly Overton
In 1851 Thomas and Jane are living in Charles St Leamington he was a Chelsea Pentioner from Ladbroke

I have found some of his military papers and will try to transcribe them for you when we get back

[Trees]

How's this for a transcription? its a wonder anyone can find the marriage record!

Name:    Esther Prodenight
Birth Year:    abt 1837
Age:    23
Spouse Name:    William Orenton
Spouse Age:    34
Marriage or Bann Date:    20 Sep 1860
Event Type:    Marriage
Parish:    Hampton Lucy
Father Name:    Henis Rodenight
Spouse Father Name:    Sham Orenton

In 1841 Esther RODENIGHT is with her mother Esther in Hampton Lucy by 1851 her mother has re married but Esther is still with her.
Name:    Esther Rodenight
Age:    Full Age widow
Spouse Name:    James Smith
Spouse Age:    Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date:    14 Dec 1848
Event Type:    Marriage
Parish:    Hampton Lucy
Father Name:    John Manton
Spouse Father Name:    William Smith

So we have the right family now what would you like to know Kohab?