Fairmans and Martins from Newington

[girlstitcher]

Hi

Wonder if anyone out there can help,

I am trying to find Alfred Fairman, his son was Alfred who married a Caroline Day in January 1887.

I feel confused regarding the first Alfred Fairman, although I have the marriage certificate of his marriage to Sophia Martin in 1853, I am beginning to have my doubts that I am on the right track.

The first Alfred was born abt 1833/5 and his father was John Fairman a labourer and lived in Pitt Street. 

Sophia lived at Church Row and her father was Robert William Martin a tanner.

Any help would be wonderful thanks

[carol8353]

DO you have the family on any census?
When was Alfred jnr born? and what job did he/they do?

Is this Alfred senior (widowed) in 1881?
There is a gap between sons and I wondered if Alf junior would be in the middle 

 Alfred FAIRMAN   Head   W   Male   46   Southwark, Surrey, England   Cooper     
 Joseph FAIRMAN   Son   U   Male   17   Southwark, Surrey, England   Labourer     
 Sarah FAIRMAN   Daur   U   Female   11   Bermondsey   Scholar     
 Richard FAIRMAN   Son   U   Male   4   Southwark, Surrey, England       


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Source Information:
  Dwelling   25 Wickham Ple
  Census Place Southwark St George Martyr, Surrey, England
  Family History Library Film   1341117
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   0522 / 14
  Page Number   22

Give us all the info you have and I'm sure we'll have a good go at trying to find them.

Regards

Carol

[girlstitcher]

Hello Carol

Many thanks for the prompt reply.

I did find Alfred and a brother James on the 1891 census, they married two
sisters Caroline and Isabelle Day.

I think you may well be right about Alfred being widowed, I have recently found him on the 1901 census aged 66, wife Ann 43, step-son James Coker
daughter Sarah age 5 living in Lower Bland Street.

I did find a death of a Sophia Martin died Sept 1873, could it be that I am on the right track after all.

I have recently obtained the 1871 census for Southwark and St Saviour, I'm sure it has also got St Georges the Martyr on it as well, I think I am going to do some trawling of that census.

If you do find anything else I would be grateful

Many thanks

Yvonne

[carol8353]

You jammy ole thing Yvonne  to get father in law on the 1901 census too!

 James Coker 11  Southwark, London, England Stepson  Newington     
Alfred Fairman 66  Southwark, London, England Head  Newington  coopers labourer 
Ann Fairman 43  Blackfield, London, England Wife  Newington   
Sarah Fairman 5  Southwark, London, England Daughter  Newington 
Jeffery Bateman 68  Cork, Ireland Father-in-law  Newington   

So the 1881 is defintely correct as the names,dates and jobs tie up.

AND IN 1891  at 71 Kinglake Street, St Mary Newington
RG12/358 Folio 71  Page32

Alfred Fairman 55 widower head Cooper born St Georges London
Richard Fairman 15 son  born St Georges London.

Haven't found him in 1871 must be mistranscribed,so will check later for you.

Hope this helps to confirm you are on the right track 

Carol

[girlstitcher]

Many thanks Carol,

that has given me a bit of a boost to think that I may well be right after all

best wishe

Yvonne

[carol8353]

Yvonne

I've found them in 1871 mistranscribed as Farman(athough enumerator did put the I in later!)

at 30 Brook Street Bermondsey. RG10/629 folio 42 page 25

Jobs as described, the rest at school.


James Fairman 9  Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son  St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  London   
Joseph Fairman 7  Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son  St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  London   
Sarah Fairman 2  Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter  St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  London   
Alfred Farman 30  Bermondsey, Surrey, England Head  St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  London   Cooper
Alfred Farman 13  Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son  St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  London   
John Farman 18  Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son  St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  London   bonnet shape maker
Sophia Farman 32  St George, Surrey, England Wife  St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  London   
Sophia Farman 16  Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter  St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey  London   nursemaid

HTH

Carol
 

 
 
 

[girlstitcher]

Thank you so much Carol

I have been trawling page by page the 1871 census for St George the Martyr and no luck so far.

Tell me how you get the answer so quickly  ?

Have I got the wrong type of Census copy are there type copies as opposed to transcribed,,do let me know

All the best

Yvonne

[carol8353]

Yvonne

You enter the persons name and voila! You then have to guess what else it could be transcribed under.

I have plenty of practice with my gt grandma's lot -RAPKIN.
Hardly ever written properly,it's been Rapile,Rabjohns,Ropkins and Rapkins of course.

Glad to have been of assistance- see you were on the right track
Just that old Alf seemed to have remarried every time one wife died 

Carol

[brianman]

Hello to all .
Looking for more information re Charles Fairman b 1806 Beddington Surrey
He married Hephzebah Moore c 1834 Newington.
Regards
Bryan