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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 04 March 12 00:50 GMT (UK) »
Hello Rick,

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

I have had a look in my Ober-Rosbach Familienbuch for the Herdt family, I think I may have found your Leonardt Herdt and his family in Ober-Rosbach, but the birth date is a few days different and there is no brother named Carl...let me know what you think? It is possible that the family had other children in nearby Nieder-Rosbach (which is not covered in the book) or moved out of the area....

Henrich Anton Herdt (b 15 Jun 1825, d 11 July 1877) married 01 Aug 1852 Anna Elisabetha Rahn (b 11 Apr 1829, d 18 Mar 1896)
Henrich Anton Herdt was a miller

Children:
1. Leonhard Herdt (b 11 Dec 1851)
2. Dorothea Herdt (b 28 Apr 1854, m 23 Aug 1877, d 25 Nov 1877) it states that she was married and died in Nieder-Rosbach, but not who she married
3. Maria Katharina Herdt (b 03 Mar 1857, m 04 Mar 1883, d 11 Jun 1939) she married Johann Philipp Buch (occ Farmer & Smith)
4. Anna Elisabetha Herdt (b 19 Jan 1859, m 11 Jan 1885, d 6 Dec 1922) she married Karl Franz Hubert Alfred Buschmann (occ Mill Owner in Mainz)
5. Heinrich Leonard Herdt (b 11 Nov 1862, m1 26 Dec 1888 Maria Margaretha Welter, m2 22 Nov 1898 Eva Maria Kohlert, d 26 Apr/May 1945 (recorded as two different months in two different locations) occ Miller
6. Peter Herdt (b 13 Feb 1866, d 31 May 1866)

There is information back to the 1600's on this Herdt family, and information of the families of Leonhard's siblings and his mother's family. If you think this is your family let me know and I can transcribe it for you. These books are such a wealth of knowledge...I LOVE German ancestry  ;)

I had a bit of a look on Ancestry too, and Leonhard Herdt (of St Louis) shows up with a birth date of 11 Dec 1851 on his US passport application in 1876...is this your fellow? If so the Leonhard above is a match, usually when there is no info in the book on a particular person they have left the village or emigrated to another country.

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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 04 March 12 04:59 GMT (UK) »
JENNY,
 YOU"VE GOT IT!!!!! These Herdts are my family. Remarkable!!! According to the info that you provided, Karl is Leonhard's brother-in-law, not his brother as I believed. I too, found the passport application on-line when he came to St. Louis. I was born and raised in St. Louis and lived in a flat that Leonhard  and his wife once owned but he passed away in 1939, 7 years before I was born.  My grandmother (Leonhard's daughter) took ownership of his real estate holdings when he passed away. He and his wife are buried in St. Louis. If you are willing, I would like to have all info on the Herdt -Rahn-Buschmann family ancester information transcribed.  REMARKABLE.
If there are any expenses associated with this effort. please let me know.
Much thanks,
Rick H.
P.S. Is that your cat pictured on your posts?
Herdt; Sabath; Hermann;Ax;Rahn; Buschmann;McGaw;

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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 04 March 12 05:10 GMT (UK) »
Hey Rick,

Glad we could make a match! There is no cost involved, I bought the Ober-Rosbach Familienbuch many years ago, and it simply sits in my bookcase until someone needs a look up, centuries of German Ancestry enclosed in one little book....priceless  ;)

I will start transcribing and get back to you, and yes that is my 'late' cat in my posts, he passed away a few years ago now. Gorgeous soul that he was.

Jenny
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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 04 March 12 05:37 GMT (UK) »
ok, I will start with Leonhard's siblings who remained in Germany: Unless stated otherwise all births, marriages & deaths are in Ober-Rosbach

Leonhard Herdt - your family in the US

Dorothea Herdt - no details other than her marriage and death dates in Nieder-Rosbach (you will need to locate the Nieder-Rosbach records)

Maria Katharina Herdt (b 03 Mar 1857, m 04 Mar 1883, d 11 Jun 1939) married Johann Philipp Buch (b 26 Feb 1856, d 14 Mar 1931) (occ Farmer & Smith) - NB there is ancestry in Ober-Rosbach for the Buch family if you require it.
Children:
1. Johann Philipp Buch (b 24 Apr 1884, d 4 Dec 1885)
2. Heinrich Buch (b 4 Oct 1885, m 22 Nov 1908 - note there is no detail of who he married as the records in my book stop at 1900)
3. Philipp Buch (b 24 Jan 1889, m 21 Jan 1917 - note there is no detail of who he married as the records in my book stop at 1900)
4. Anna Elisabetha Buch (b 19 Mar 1890, m 27 Oct 1912 - note there is no detail of who she married as the records in my book stop at 1900)
5. Maria Buch (b 28 May 1895, m 25 Dec 1919 - note there is no detail of who she married as the records in my book stop at 1900)


Anna Elisabetha Herdt (b 19 Jan 1859, m 11 Jan 1885, d 6 Dec 1922) married Karl Franz Hubert Alfred Buschmann (b 30 Apr 1858, d 1 Nov 1914) (occ Mill Owner in Mainz) - there is no information on the Buschmann's prior to Karl, I suspect they came from Mainz.
Children:
1. Heinrich Leonhardt Wilhelm Buschmann (b 23 Nov 1886, m 18 May 1911 - note there is no detail of who he married as the records in my book stop at 1900)
2. Elisabethe Anna Buschmann (b 9 May 1891, m 4 Mar 1920 - note there is no detail of who she married as the records in my book stop at 1900)


Heinrich Leonhardt Herdt (b 11 Nov 1862, d 26 Apr/May 1945 (recorded as two different months in two different locations) occ Miller
m1 26 Dec 1888 Maria Margaretha Welter (b 11 Oct 1866 Nieder-Rosbach, d 21 Feb 1894) - no further info on the Welter's
Children:
1. Heinrich Herdt (b 23 May 1889)
2. Wilhelm Herdt (b 6 July 1890, d 19 Oct 1890)
3. Wilhelm Herdt (b 6 Jan 1892)
4. Elisabetha Herdt (b 29 Mar 1893, d 16 Apr 1948)

m2 22 Nov 1898 Eva Maria Kohlert (b 26 May 1870 Oberseimen, d 22 Dec 1924) - no further info on the Kohlert's either
Children:
1. Elisabetha Herdt (b 2 Dec 1898, m 18 Apr 1920)
2. Emilie Herdt (b 26 Oct 1899)

Hope that helps :)

Jenny
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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 04 March 12 06:14 GMT (UK) »
Now Leonhard's father's and mother's families: Unless stated otherwise all births, marriages & deaths are in Ober-Rosbach

Johann Heinrich Hert (b 17 Jan 1786, m 27 Mar 1817, d 06 Aug 1857) married Elisabetha Katharina Schlottner (b 2 Dec 1791, d 30 Dec 1831) - there is more ancestry on both the Herdt and Schlottner families
Johann Heinrich Hert was an ackermann (ploughman)
Children:
1. Elisabetha Hert (b 1 Jan 1818, m 9 Feb 1840, d 08 Aug 1886) - she married Georg Henrich Backes (occ Wagner or Carter), they had 10 children
2. Elisabetha Katharina Hert (b 24  Nov 1820, m 20 Sept 1846, d 6 Sept 1907 - she married Johann Caspar Hock (occ ploughman/coachman), they had 5 children
3 & 4. Dead twin daughters (b 13 Feb 1823, d 13 Feb 1823)
5. Henrich Anton Hert - as already supplied below
6. Maria Katharina Hert (b 2 Dec 1827, m 19 Nov 1854, d 25 Mar 1930) - she married Heinrich Anton Backes (occ turner), they had 2 children


Johan Leonhard Rahn (b 27 Oct 1799, m 28 Jan 1827, d 15 Feb 1861) married Maria Elisabetha Wentzel (b 27 Aug 1807, d 13 Apr 1888) - there is more ancestry on both the Rahn and Wentzel families
Johan Leonhard Rahn was a miller and ploughman
Children:
1. Anna Elisabetha Rahn - as already supplied below
2. Leonhard Rahn (b 13 Jun 1831, d 13 Feb 1834)
3. Leonhard Rahn (b 4 Apr 1834, m 17 June 1858, d 10 Sept 1902) - (occ cooper) he married Maria Catharina Schreiber, they had 5 children
4. Johann Georg Rahn (b 26 Apr 1836, m 17 Dec 1864 in Genf) - he married Magdalena Aergerter, and had one child
5. Philipp Rahn (b 12 Sept 1838)
6. Elise Rahn (b 6 July 1844, m 28 Dec 1865) - she married Leonhard Weinschenk (occ Head waiter), they had one child
7. Dorothea Rahn (b 25 Feb 1846)
8. Jacob Rahn (b 7 July 1848)

There is obviously more information of the families of Leonhard's aunts and uncles on both sides, and I can supply this if needed

Perhaps I will send you a PM, so that we can correspond via e-mail....it may be easier  ;)

Jenny
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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 03 April 14 22:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Jen, Thank you for your generous offer to do a look up from your book. I don't know if you can help me but I'm searching for a family from Lichenroth, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hesse, Germany, who immigrated to the US in 1849. Heinrich Spahn, born in the 1790s, his wife, Eva Catherine and children, Casper, b. 1819, Heinrich, b. 1823, Balthazar, Peter and Adam. Both Peter and Heinrich listed their hometown as Liechenrod/ Lichenroth on their Civil War papers.  I'm not sure this town is in the same area but if you find anything it will be appreciated.

Thank you again,
Becky

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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 03 April 14 22:59 BST (UK) »
Hello Becky,

Welcome to Rootschat  ;)

Unfortunately I only have the books for Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen, which although they are both in Hesse, are an hour or two drive from Lichenroth. The books are very specific and are the records (birth, deaths and marriages) for the Parish only, they don't even cover Nieder-Rosbach which is right next door. They group the records in families so are very useful for family historians.

I had a look just in case but there are no Spahn's in either book.

Sorry I couldn't help

Jenny
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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 03 April 14 23:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you for looking Jen. I haven't found any records for Lichenroth prior to 1874 but was hopeful. I appreciate you taking the time to look!
Becky

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Re: GERMANY: Familienbucher Oberrosbach v.d. Höhe & Grüningen look up offer
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 05 April 14 03:24 BST (UK) »
no worries, you never know unless you ask  ;)
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