thomas bird 1895

[Cas (stallc)]

It is very difficult to assume what maybe correct  You have both same age, with both fathers named Thomas.  Let's try go with what you know is correct...

The address area of bride was it Barry or Neath? 

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/CadoxtonJuxtaNeath/

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/CadoxtonJuxtaBarry/

I would think if he was a boilermaker the ystradyfodwg one would POSSIBLY not be yours, the main industry in this valley was mining.

The Neath/Barry connection would give the possibility of work as a boilermaker as the industry was wider than the smaller valley, but you cannot rule out a move to these areas, from the Rhondda.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Barry/

I think info post 1901 is needed such as electrol or possible death of Thomas senior....

Cas 

[walkerlad]

hi cas
the brides family originally came from cornwall, so that has not helped me , but she was married in registration district of cardiff and stated she was living at the royal hotel cadoxton it does not state neath or barry, and her husband was living in barry dock, there 2 children were also born at 309 holton rd, barry dock
your links have been most helpful and i appreciate the effort you have taken to help me

i have a death certificate of a thomas bird aged 71 in 1929 and states he was a assorter in tin plate works in neath his son reginald bird born in 1900 registered his death, so in a sense that can elimate that family from neath as it does not state boilermaker, so i need to concentrate on the ystrad family

[Cas (stallc)]

Should have checked looks like Barry

http://www.barrywales.co.uk/tomclemett/cadoxton.asp

The next most important streets in Cadoxton were Main Street and Barry Road. Main Street (part of which was named Iddesleigh Street) had two tin Churches, a theatre, pawnbrokers, a newspaper office and printers, a police station, a sweet factory, numerous grocers and greengrocers, and bakers. For non-drinkers and visiting preachers the Shaftesbury Temperance Hotel was available, and for others who liked their pint, the Wenvoe Arms or the Royal Hotel was their destination.

Opposite the Royal Hotel was the headquarters of the Sons of Temperance, a society that opposed the granting of licences to hotels in the area.

http://www.barrywales.co.uk/holtonroad.asp

[Cas (stallc)]

There is a possible marriage for Thos. P....was he stated as bach. on the 1932 marriage?

Marriages Dec 1924   
 
Bird  Thomas P  - Wasley - Pontypridd  11a 1037   
Wasley  Myfanwy  - Bird - Pontypridd  11a 1037

Cas

[walkerlad]

good morning cas
yes on the marriage certificate he states he was a batchelor and she was a spinster
he did not mention either he had any middle names, so maybe this thomas philip bird is the wrong line

[Cas (stallc)]

Just a few thoughts....

I have a feeling it is not the right line...but who knows 

A boilermaker is a metalworker...so it possibly could be a fancy name for a tin plater?

Also if he was an electrician, and lived in the main highstreet/shopping area of Barry, he could have had his own business...so maybe street directories or electoral info would throw up some clues if there was anyone else in household...

There were many industries in the Barry/Cardiff area...

Possibly the 1953 death is Thos. P...

Is there no next of kin on his service record?

Just trying to help....

Cas

[walkerlad]

hi cas
i appreciate all the help you have given me, it has been invaluable
it looks cas as though i have to go for the other family living in west hartlepool in 1901

thomas bird 36 iron ship plater   hull                   1865
ellen t   bird 31                           kent                  1870
catherine     10                           stockton           1891
THOMAS         6                           ireland              1895
mary j            4                           ireland               1897
dorothy         2                           newcastle          1899
constance     6mn                      west hartleppol  1900 ( i have her birth certificate )

thomas bird 1865 was a boilermaker in 1891 living in itchen, hampshire

it is a matter of proving this family moved to wales after 1901
no parents listed on service records

please please dont think i dont appreciate any help you are given me

regards
michael
ps: i still owe you a box of chocolates

[Cas (stallc)]

It looks very plausible...also maybe the family did not move but Thomas did, he also married quite late.  No offense, but I would consider that possibly the service record may not be his...the only link you have is occ.  Cannot see why he would be in the Aberdare area...

Wish you luck with it anyways...full marks for perseverance

Virtual chocs are the best, light in calories 

Cas