WYRVIL?

[Mum44]

Here's the full entry for the household of Sarah Ann THOMAS in 1871 which I mentioned earlier:


1871 census
RG10/2745/60/17
Hallow, Worfield, Shropshire

Martha Thomas Head W 60 Household work Shropshire Nean
William do Son Unm 34 Ag lab Shropshire Worfield
Henry do Son Unm 21 Ag lab Shropshire Worfield
Sarah A do Daur Unm 16 Domestic servant (out of employ) Shropshire Worfield

Anna

Anna - are you going to carry on with Sarah's line - don't want to be tripping over each other - and I'll look at Richard ?

[avm228]

Yes, I can do Sarah and her THOMAS line.

Just before I do that - on the subject of little Martha Edwards...

the Jun 1889 Manchester birth may not be hers, as  there's a matching death in the same quarter (Death: Martha EDWARDS aged 0, Jun 1889 Manchester 8d 319).


Anna

[Mum44]

I'll say it again, you're amazing!
The details for the Martha you just gave me, I assume that's Sarahs mum?

No - that's George's sister - but as Anna says - the Manchester birth may not be the one!

Added:  there's a Martha b. Q2. 1890 Manchester - the 1891 says she's two, but maybe she was registered late, or they put 2 anyway ?

The re-using of the name was probably because Sarah's mother was Martha - I have a family in my tree who named 4 successive sons John after the grandfather as each one died very young 

[DEBBIEWEBBY]

God your fast!
lol
I'm still trying to write all the information down and get my head round it!
It's actually the Edwards line I'm trying to trace back as my partner refuses to accept the fact that Edwards is a Welsh name.
Keep telling him he's Welsh stock cos he's short and stocky!
 

[avm228]

1861 census
RG9/1851/123/22
Hallow, Worfield, Shropshire

Samuel Thomas Head Mar 64 Ag lab Salop Heton (?)
Martha do Wife Mar 52 Housewife Salop Nensolliar [prob. shd be Neen Sollars]
William do Son Un 24 Ag lab Salop Worfield
George do Son Un 19 Ag lab Salop Worfield
Henry do Son 11 Scholar Salop Worfield
Sarah A. do Daur 6 Scholar Salop Worfield

Anna

[avm228]

God your fast!
lol
I'm still trying to write all the information down and get my head round it!
It's actually the Edwards line I'm trying to trace back as my partner refuses to accept the fact that Edwards is a Welsh name.
Keep telling him he's Welsh stock cos he's short and stocky!
 

Thomas is a Welsh surname too!  But if you're not interested in the Thomas line I will stop (?)

Anna

[DEBBIEWEBBY]

God no, I find it amazing!
I'm tempted to give you the maternal side of his family to trace as been as you're enjoying it so much!

[avm228]

1861 census
RG9/1851/123/22
Hallow, Worfield, Shropshire

Samuel Thomas Head Mar 64 Ag lab Salop Heton (?)
Martha do Wife Mar 52 Housewife Salop Nensolliar [prob. shd be Neen Sollars]
William do Son Un 24 Ag lab Salop Worfield
George do Son Un 19 Ag lab Salop Worfield
Henry do Son 11 Scholar Salop Worfield
Sarah A. do Daur 6 Scholar Salop Worfield

Anna

I have to say that I am a little suspicious of whether Sarah Ann was really a daughter of this couple given Martha's age (though she's only 60 rather than 62 in the 1871 census).  Sometimes grandchildren, especially if illegitimate, were brought up by their grandparents as though they were children of the family.  Pure speculation at the moment, though.

The IGI at www.familysearch.org has the following baptisms of children of Samuel and Martha THOMAS (NB as you may be aware the IGI is far from complete).  These are all extracted from parish records:

Jane THOMAS 24 Dec 1829 Neen Savage, Shropshire
Willm. THOMAS abt 20 Sep 1835 Worfield, Shropshire
George THOMAS b 13 Oct 1840 bap 27 Dec 1840 Worfield, Shropshire
Ellen THOMAS b 27 Jun 1843 bap 30 Jul 1843 Worfield, Shropshire


Anna

[avm228]

Marriage (also from IGI, extracted):

Samuel THOMAS
Martha BOWEN

19 Jul 1829 Neen Savage, Shropshire

(today is their 179th wedding anniversary )


Anna