WYRVIL?

[Mum44]

Here's another possible Welsh surname to add to the mix  

Based again on the IGI, there is a marriage in St. Chads Shrewsbury 15 Nov 1811 between Edward Edwards and Sarah Morgan.  

There is also one bap for a child of Edward and Sarah at St. Chads - Mary in 1812.  None others at St Chads - others as previously mentioned found at St Mary's.

A plus towards this being the right marriage is the name of Richard's eldest son - Richard Morgan Edwards.

Anna - what do you think here ?

[avm228]

Anyway, here's the THOMAS family in 1851 (Martha not at home, for some reason):

1851 census
HO107/1986/525/9
Worfield, Shropshire

Samuel THOMAS Head M 48 Labourer ag Salop Marvill [prob shd be Morville]
Jane MOSELEY (?) Daur M 21 Dressmaker Salop Neen Savage
William THOMAS Son U 15 Scholar Salop Worfield
George THOMAS Son 10 Salop Worfield
Helen THOMAS Daur 7 Salop Worfield [this will be the child baptised as Ellen in 1843]
Martha THOMAS Daur 4 Salop Worfield
Henry THOMAS Son 1 Salop Worfield


Anna

[avm228]

Here's another possible Welsh surname to add to the mix  

Based again on the IGI, there is a marriage in St. Chads Shrewsbury 15 Nov 1811 between Edward Edwards and Sarah Morgan.  

There is also one bap for a child of Edward and Sarah at St. Chads - Mary in 1812.  None others at St Chads - others as previously mentioned found at St Mary's.

A plus towards this being the right marriage is the name of Richard's eldest son - Richard Morgan Edwards.

Anna - what do you think here ?

Yes, I think that looks good - particularly in view of the later use of Morgan as a family middle name.

Anna

[pete edwards]

1871 census
Edward W Edwards aged 21, living in Cound, Salop, working as blacksmiths assistant.  Worked for blacksmith Humphrey Roberts.


If your Edward was living in Cound in 1871, then he would have been next door neighbours to my paternal line line of Edwards, As far back as I have got so far I originate from Cound, !808 marriage George Edwards, Sarah Rowe,

Pete

P.S. I have traced Nellie I think, but wasent sure were you was bothered with her

P.P.S  Glad you joined

[DEBBIEWEBBY]

It's toooooo much to take in!
I'm sat here just shaking my head in amazement!
Yes, I picked up on the Morgan thing too.
Err, what else, oh yes, neighbours! What a coincidence!
As for Nellie, I got as far as siblings being Ernest and William, and parents Samuel Isaac Barnett marrying Annie James in Leek Dec 1896.

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Anyway, here's the THOMAS family in 1851 (Martha not at home, for some reason):

1851 census
HO107/1986/525/9
Worfield, Shropshire

Samuel THOMAS Head M 48 Labourer ag Salop Marvill [prob shd be Morville]
Jane MOSELEY (?) Daur M 21 Dressmaker Salop Neen Savage
William THOMAS Son U 15 Scholar Salop Worfield
George THOMAS Son 10 Salop Worfield
Helen THOMAS Daur 7 Salop Worfield [this will be the child baptised as Ellen in 1843]
Martha THOMAS Daur 4 Salop Worfield
Henry THOMAS Son 1 Salop Worfield


Anna

The missing Martha is misenumerated as THOMASSON in 1851, visiting what are presumably relatives of some sort given that BOWEN was Martha's name at marriage (see earlier):

1851 census
HO107/1985/193/4
Neen Savage, Shropshire
Baveney Wood

Drusilla BOWEN Head Widow 69 Nurse Salop Kinlet
Richard do Son Unmar 44 Bricklayer Salop Neen Savage
Martha THOMASSON Visitor Married 42 Labourer Wife Salop Neen Savage
John do Visitor 12 Labourer Son Salop Worville [not sure whether this shd be Morville or Worfield]

Anna

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This looks like Martha's baptism (again, IGI extracted):

Martha BOWEN

Christening 7 May 1809 Neen Savage, Shropshire

daughter of William BOWEN and Drusilla

This fits well with Martha's age in the 1851 and 1861 censuses, and suggests that the widowed Drusilla BOWEN whom she is visiting in 1851 is in fact her mother.

It also means (depending on the respective birthdates) that she would have been getting on for 46 at the birth of Sarah Ann - a very late lamb, but not impossible even before the advent of fertility treatment.

Anna

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Marriage (from Shropshire Parish & Probate Records):

William BOWEN
Drusilla MONK

27 Aug 1805

at Neen Savage, Kinlet, Stokesay or Wistanstow (can't tell which)

by George Moultrie, Officiating Minister

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1841 census
HO107/922 bk 17 folio 5 p5
Neen Savage, Shropshire
Baveney Wood

William BOWEN 60 Bricklayer
Drusilla do 60
Richard do 35 Bricklayer
Ellen do 20
Josia do 15

all born in county (NB ages over 15 are rounded down to the nearest 5 in the 1841 census).

Amma