Can you read what this Debys town is called...

[Shirles]

Thank you very much for your help Paulene.
I will have a look at those sites and see what turns up.

Best wishes
Shirley

[willow154]

Shirley,
Thought I'd better catch you while you're still online.
Could you please let me have the census details for 1841 and 1851 for Elizabeth, please?
Will need these for when I come back to it later, for last shot at it.
Thanks.
Paulene

[Shirles]

Hi Paulene

I've just been going through the places in Derbyshire again and if Elizabeth, who perhaps was not literate, said to the Census Taker, she was from Shirland, Derbyshire, might you spell it Sureland? What do you think?

There are lots of Frosts in Derbyshire aren't there?

I have the 1841 census of Elizabeth's son John Frost [1807] who married Sarah Dale. H0107/1141/13.  I think the family next door are connected.

I have the 1851 Census of John and Sarah with Elizabeth living with them age 81 ~ H0107/2058 I found this under John Trost.  It has just stroke me that Elizabeth's death certification in 1855 puts her age as 90 so there is a 4 year age discrepancy. 

I am still looking for John Frost Senior and Elizabeth in 1841.

My son and daughter in law are coming shortly but I will keep popping back and forth.

Good luck
Shirley

[willow154]

Hi Shirley,
Still struggling, I'm afraid.
All the census infomation on John Frost jnr seems to say he was born in Warwickshire - but can't find evidence for that.
Can't find John and Elizabeth's marriage either.
Wondered if the birthplace of the servant (Ashbourne, Derbyshire) on the 1851 census is a clue?
Paulene

[Shirles]

Hi Paulene

How silly I am I looked at the servant and thought her surname was Hatton, I have looked again and it is Maria Walters ~ the informant on Elizabeth's death certificate, but also her daughter Mary Walters married Thomas Frost, son of John Frost [1807] who married Sarah Dale. Maria's
maiden name was Hardy born Ashbourne, Derbyshire and she married John Walters, don't know when.  Mary, their daughter was born in 1826 in St Peter's., Wolverhampton.

Some more pieces for the jigsaw puzzle ..........

Many thanks Paulene

 Shirley

[willow154]

Hi again shirley,
Confusing lot aren't they!
Do you know when John's wife, Sarah, died?
Paulene

[willow154]

Hi again shirley,
Confusing lot aren't they!
Do you know when John's wife, Sarah, died?
Paulene
Added:
Sorry, Shirley - Internet Explorer said it could not display the page so I presumed it hadn't posted the first message, so just ignore this.

[willow154]

Shirley,
 My feeling is it might be Sturston - which is 1 mile east of Ashbourne.
There's another place called Snelston, which is about 3 miles away from Ashbourne, bu the more I look at it the more I think it's Sturston.
If you look at the way he writes his letter 'S' when he writes it followed by a 'T' you'll see what I mean.
Let me know what you think, Shirley.
Fingers crossed.
Paulene

[Shirles]

Hi Paulene

Yes ~ Sarah Frost (nee Dale) died 29 Sep 1847 in Birmingham. I don't have her birth abt 1810 but don't know where.

Shirley