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Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« on: Tuesday 22 July 08 18:21 BST (UK) »
Cannot find my grandfather William John Laker and his family anywhere on any Census from 1881 through to 1901.. he died aged 49 years in   September 1920 Commonwealth Road Caterham, Surrey.

William was married to Elizabeth Ann Green 1898 Bethany Hall Croydon Road Caterham Surrey.

I knew he had connections with the Salvation Army in Caterham, and was a Band Master there and founder member of the Original Citadel.

William also signed up to the Bedfordshire Regiment, and was disharged early probably due to ill health...

William John , Elizabeth Ann, children Elizabeth Fanny born 1899, and a child born to Elizabeth Ann outside of marriage but not Williams proven by birth cert, named Mary Ann Elizabeth Green born 1896, should be on the Census somewhere, but I cannot find them anywhere.

4 other  children were born after the 1901 Census, and a possible further son William John Laker birth year unknown.Referred to as the oldest though.

Can anyone suggest where I could look now..

thanks
dottie

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Re: Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 18:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Dottie,

Do you have the marriage cert? What's William's father's name? Any idea where the girls were born, and where and when Elizabeth Ann Green was born?

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Re: Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 19:02 BST (UK) »
hi, i have found a George E laker born dec 1913 in Godstone surrey. your william John laker's marriage was also registered in Godstone.
George E laker's Mother's maiden name was Green.
Williams: Morriston Llangyfelach, Clydach Pontardawe
Jones: Monmouthshire, Caerphilly, Llandefeilog Carmarthen
Hutton: bells hill co. Down, northern Ireland and Dublin
Price: Caerphilly
Lewis: Pembrokeshire
Devonald: Moylegrove Pembrokeshire
David/Davies: Llanelly camarthenshire
Clement: Glamorgan

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Re: Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 20:15 BST (UK) »
Marriage certificate details:-

1898 29th May

William John Laker aged 27 years Bachelor Gen. Lab. 2 Marden Cottages Croydon Road Caterham. Fathers name also William John Laker (deceased) Profession Seaman.....

Elizabeth Ann Green 21 years spinster Laundress same address as above.
Fathers name Edward Green Carpenter (Journeyman).

Bethany Hall Croydon Road Caterham.

Elizabeth Ann Green was born in 1877 Ilkeston Devon and died in 1959 in Couldson Surrey.

Mary Ann Elizabeth Green was born 1896 in Flint Cottages Caterham and died in 1969 Caterham...

Elizabeth Fanny was born 1899 in Merstham Terrace Caterham and died in 1949 Surrey South East (covering Godstone/area)

Yes the George Edward Laker born 1913 died 1983 Clacton is my father - 80, Commonwealth Road Caterham (same address as the location of  his father 's death Willliam )

Hope this helps, and thank you both for replying so promptly, hope you like brickwalls  ;). didn't have a problem tracing the Green Family.......

dottie
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Re: Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 21:12 BST (UK) »
There is a William J Laker aged 11 in Hastings St Leonards Sussex but his father is Alfred aged 40 and a Navy pensioner. Wife Ellen aged 34 a nurse?

Terry
g grandfather Thomas Borthwick 11/11/1882 - KIA 25/9/1915 aged 33 Kings Own Scottish Borderers

Brothers & cousins to Thomas (Both KIA same day)
Robert Johnstone Borthwick 1898 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 21 North Staffordshire Regiment

George Lowden Borthwick 1899 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 19 Royal Scots Fusiliers

gr Uncle Walter Combe b1893 - KIA 12/7/1915 aged 22  Kings Own Scottish Borderers

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Re: Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 21:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Terrie, alas have already checked this one out too ........no joy........
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Re: Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 21:46 BST (UK) »
what was his mothers first name?

Terry
g grandfather Thomas Borthwick 11/11/1882 - KIA 25/9/1915 aged 33 Kings Own Scottish Borderers

Brothers & cousins to Thomas (Both KIA same day)
Robert Johnstone Borthwick 1898 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 21 North Staffordshire Regiment

George Lowden Borthwick 1899 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 19 Royal Scots Fusiliers

gr Uncle Walter Combe b1893 - KIA 12/7/1915 aged 22  Kings Own Scottish Borderers

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Re: Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 22:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Dorothmay

These are all the William Lakers 1871 +- 5 years that come up on 1881 is there any you haven't looked at?

LAKER, William   Bord   <1866>   Kent   Kent
LAKER, William G.   Son   <1866>   Lond   Kent
LAKER, William   Inmt   <1867>   Lond   Lond
DE LA COUR, William Alfd.   Son   <1868>   ChaI   ChaI
LAKER, William   Son   <1868>   Kent   Kent
LAKER, William George   Son   <1869>   Surr   Surr
LAKER, William   Inmt   <1870>   Lond   Lond
LAKER, William   Son   <1870>   Suss   Suss
LAKER, William J.   Son   <1870>   Suss   Suss
LAKER, William   Paup   <1871>      Lond
LAKER, William H.   Son   <1871>   Surr   Surr
LAKER, William   SonL   <1872>   Surr   Surr
LAKER, William   Son   <1872>   Suss   Suss
LAKER, William   GSon   <1872>   Suss   Suss
LAKER, William   Son   <1874>   Surr   Surr
LAKER, William   Son   <1874>   Suss   Suss
LAKER, William   Son   <1875>   Lond   Surr
LAKER, William   Neph   <1875>   Surr   Surr
LE LACHEUR, William   GSon   <1875>   ChaI   ChaI
LAKER, William T.   Son   <1876>   Surr   Surr
LE LACHEUR, William J.   Son   <1876>   ChaI   ChaI

I notice his father was dead at the time of the marriage his mother hadn't married again? That happened to me and the children were under the new 'fathers' name on the census but reverted back to their correct surname when they got married.
Terry
g grandfather Thomas Borthwick 11/11/1882 - KIA 25/9/1915 aged 33 Kings Own Scottish Borderers

Brothers & cousins to Thomas (Both KIA same day)
Robert Johnstone Borthwick 1898 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 21 North Staffordshire Regiment

George Lowden Borthwick 1899 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 19 Royal Scots Fusiliers

gr Uncle Walter Combe b1893 - KIA 12/7/1915 aged 22  Kings Own Scottish Borderers

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright  GROS - www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

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Re: Missing from all Census from 1881 - 1901
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 16:19 BST (UK) »
what was his mothers first name?

Terry

haven't a clue as to Williams mums name.....:(

will have a look through list later okay terry - thank you :)

dottie
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