henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889

[ann1939]

do you have on your tree a charles Henry smith who married Ada Andrewws in St Andrews church East Hagbourne berkshire 1889 if you have would you have details of the Henry charles smith... who from his marriage was always Charles its on childrens birth cert also his death cert 1929  they both came to Reading 1889 he is a cattle dealer and lived at various address in the Gt Knollys st area were the cattle market was. they had 5 children
charles 1901  Ada who became a Fennel.. Nellie who became a Davies...
Mabel who became a Randall and Jack who was my father.
just have never been able to find were Charles smith lived prior to his marriage. unfortunatly only the wording East Hagbourne on there marriage cert.
clues to follow or you have details will be very much appreciated
Ann nee Smith

[silvery]

What's on the marriage certificate?
Names, ages, occupations, fathers' names, and witnesses will all be a help.

edit: I see the groom's age is in the heading, this is him when he married?

[heywood]

Hi,
he is in 1901 census:

1901 RG13; Piece: 1147; Folio: 60; Page: 15

41 Knollys Street Reading

Chas H Smith 38 yrs cattle dealer b Reading
Ada 33 yrs b Didcot
Charles 8 yrs b Reading
Nellie 5 yrs b Reading
Ada 15 months b Reading

but it is difficult to pinpoint him in earlier censuses as you say Ann. You say they both came to Reading in 1889 

[heywood]

got them in 1891- this one says born 1868 Bristol 

1891 RG12; Piece: 992; Folio 70; Page 25

8 Chatham Crt Reading

H C Smith 23 yrs cattle dealer b Bristol
Ada 22 yrs b Berkshire Hagbourne

in view of difference in age - it's back to the certificate I think- father's name may help- witnesses too sometimes

[silvery]

East Hagbourne comes  under Wallingford (Berkshire) but freebmd isn't throwing up a marriage.   (it may not be in)

yes it is - married as Henry Charles.

[Eyesee]

If you do not have it already

1881 RG11/1294/64/6
High st, Wallingford St Peter
Joseph ANDREWS, head mar 49, Gardener & Beerseller, born Blewbury, Berkshire
Helena ANDREWS, wife mar 38, ditto's wife, born Benson, Oxford
Ada ANDREWS, dau unm 13, Scholar, born Hagbourne, Berkshire
Wellington ANDREWS, son unm 11, Scholar, born ditto
Hannah Norma ANDREWS, dau 1, born ditto
Charles MAYWELL, visitor unm 20, Engineer seaman (River steamboat), born Gloucester

Ian C

[ann1939]

thankyou.. but all the imformation you have given me I already had.and yes he married as Henry charles smith (legal name) from then on was always charles H smith its just were did he live or work possible in the area prior to his marriage jan 1889. I have been to the St Andrews church to look at bans but only reads East Hagbourne I have checked all the census that prehaps he was living with one of Ada Andrews family nothink there. his fathers name charles smith labourer ?
it will be someone like you all that just has that bit of imformation that will direct me.unfortunatly I started doing my fathers side when my Aunts etc had passed on. one person I though would have some imformatio my cousin Laurie Fennell but on visiting him wasnt no help! although he think he did,  afraid prehaps I was after an inheritence.
I think I will have a go at going down one of my Aunts family might get some clues there.
keep looking for me
Ann nee Smith

[jamajo]

  Ann i have been searching my PRs for your Charles, what about this one as age of marriage

  and birth fits? Hagbourne is not far away.

 From Newnham Murron PRs ( on Wallingford cd from OFHS )
  Baptism
14 Oct 1866 Charles Henry Smith, Place London, son of Barnet and Elizabeth.

                 Sue

[silvery]

his fathers name charles smith labourer ?

Are you sure about this name?  The question mark suggests uncertainty.
Have you only looked at the banns?   If you get the marriage certificate, it will give the father's name (if there is one).