Thomas's

[Gadget]

Here they are in 1891:

Hafod y bwch, Esclusham, Wrexham
RG12/4617 Folio 78 Page 4

Mary Turner, married, 44, b. South Drogheda
Thomas, 18,miner, b. Bradford, Yorks
William Alfred, 17, miner, b.  South Drogheda
Llewellin, 15, b. Hafod
Julia Ann, 14,  b. Hafod
Richard mark, 12,  b. Hafod
Mary Elizabeth, 10,  b. Hafod
Maria, 9,  b. Hafod

[bernadine]

hiya I sent for Mary and Williams marriage cert and they both gave the offa Terr as resI thought in 1901 cen Mary and Thomas had moved back in the Toll hse?.I felt so bad when Lew ran off and left Mary with those small children she died a couple of years later and wasnt it good of her niece to care for the little ones,when I sent for my g/mothers birth cert it was sad because mary could only put a mark! couldnt read or write.I just wondered what family the Thomas's went on to have,by the way Harriet must of been Marks girlfriend/wife? we didnt have a Harriet.Do you subscibe to any sites and which do you think are the best,we have scotlands people and I have been to that in Edinburgh  thanks Berniex

[Gadget]

hello Bernie

Scotlands People is a brilliant site for Scotland, However, you would have to subscribe to such sites as Ancestry or Finmypast, for example, to get online info about the censuses in England and Wales.

There are other sites relevant to North Wales:

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/

which would give you some further info on the Turner line after 1901 and also FreeBMD  http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/


Gadget 

[Gadget]

A bit more - you probably have it but it helps the info on this thread:

1881

Hafodybwch, Esclusham
RG11/5518 Folio 74 Page 9

Llewelyn Turner, 32, rail engine driver, b. Ruthin
Mary, 32, b. Ireland
Thomas Edward, 8, b. Bradford, Yorks
William Alfred, 7, b. Ireland
Llewellyn, 5, b. Hafodybwch
Richard Mark, 2, b. Hafodybwch
Mary Elizabeth, 1, b. Hafodybwch
Winifred, 8 mths, b. Hafodybwch

I've checked on FreeBMD and the North Wales BMD site but haven't located a marriage for Richard so far.


Gadget

[bernadine]

hello and thanks for your help I have been racking my brains(not that I have many) but I can't place a Harriet in the family do you think she was just living as common law wife with Richard although in that day and age I couldn't see that happening,but look what his father done he didn't care about society when he cleared off with his barmaid!!  Thanks Bernadine

[Gadget]

Hello 

I checked for a marriage of Richard around the time (and up to about 1905, if I recall)  but couldn't find one.

Just wondering if Maria (aged 9 in 1891) became Harriet.


Gadget

[wrjones]

Right, one thing at a time.

1.
This is the family in 1881:

Old Toll House, Ruthin Road, Wrexham (Abbot) RG11/5518/127 page 29/30

John Thomas, 33, warehouse clerk,
Mathilda, 31
Martha, 10
William, 7
Sarah, 2
Estol(?), 11mths


all down as b. Liverpool


2.

North Wales BMD has a civil marriage in Wrexham for William to Mary Brodigan in 1896.


3.

1901

Pentrellwygadd, Marchwiel
RG13/5215 Folio 57 Page 10

William Thomas, 26, shift man at colliery, b. Liverpool
Mary, 27, b. Ireland
John, 3, b. Wrexham
Richard Turner, cousin, unm?,  21, shift man at colliery, b. Ruabon
HarrietTurner, cousin, 18 unm?, b. Wrexham

It looks as if Richard and Harriet were,maybe, Mary's cousins from this - children of your ancestor and Llewellyn Turner.


Gadget

It seems you were correct in placing question marks as to whether Richard Mark and Harret Turner were married Gadget,for reading from someone's Tree I have access to on Genes Reunited,the person has Richard Mark Turner marrying a Harriet Davies given as born in Wrexham in 1883.No year is given for the Marriage,and I can't find it anywhere also,but a daughter Margaret is born to the couple in c 1902,who goes on to marry a James Izatt who was born in Edinburgh in 1903.This couple's first child was an Alice Turner Izatt born in Edinburgh in 1921 who died in 1958.As for Richard Mark Turner himself he apparently was killed in France in 1917.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[wrjones]

Whether it is relevant or not in finding a record of the Marriage of Richard Mark Turner and Harriet Davies,the person on GR has them marrying in the Catholic Church.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[Gadget]

What date, William - I never frequent that site 

Nothing on NW BMD 1890 -1910