KNAPMAN, Frederick & Mary to Australia 1885

[KNAPPO]

Hi - Saw your post after googling this name. My Great Great Grandfather is also William Knapman and is buried in Kingswear Cemetery too! (has to be the same guy?) I am descended from his son also William knapman (see photo) - I have researched this line and would be happy to let you have what I have got - please reply
Cheers
Neil knapman

[581hilary]

 Hi Neil,

What a great photograph. Do you use Genes Re-unite website. I have researched the Knapman family back to 1660 to Stoke Gabriel and you can see the tree. Looking at the picture there is a strong family resemblance and I definitely think that William is a much used name throughout.

Bear with me at the moment as I have just moved from a 3bedroom house to a one bedroomed flat so you can imagine I am still getting myself sorted. If you wanted to contact me my e-mail is
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Best Wishes

Hilary

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[numbr6]

Great picture of great grandad. I just wish that all this had been shared with us when we were younger. The brothers Doug, my father,George and Lal all went there separate ways. When we were in Kingswear we went in the grave of William and Sarah. No headstone and subsiding onto the path. Seems a shame. Managed to get into the Alms house were they lived out there days.
Seems like quite a family. Cheers John.

[hanes teulu]

RobynD

Trewman's Exeter Flying Post

I found a reference to "Tollards Field" in an advertisement in the above paper Jan 28 1863. Location described as "Tollard's Field, opposite the Toll Bar, on the Topsham Road, one mile from Exeter". Hopefully this is the location on the map kindly provided earlier by "H". Unable to find a reference to "Tollard's Farm".

Found a reference to F W Knapman in the 23 November 1881 issue where he was amongst the guests at the annual dinner of the Broadclyst Agricultural Association.

The January 4th 1882 issue mentions a Mr and Mrs F Knapman in relation to a Christmas party for children in the Deaf and Dumb Institution and describes them as "friends of the Institution".

These are the only references I can find.

By coincidence I will be staying in Topsham from this Friday. I have visits to Exeter Archives planned (my Devon forebears) and if I can fit them in I will make some enquiries

regards 

[hanes teulu]

RobynD

Have located Tollard's Farm on an 1890 Ordnance Survey map - on the Exeter/Topsham Rd.

In 1920 the Times was advertising the sale of the Wear House Estate, Exeter, the owner (Duckworth-King, Baronet.) having passed away in 1909. He had inherited the estate from his father in about 1893.
The 430 acre estate included "2 excellent dairy farms, Wear Barton 130 acres and Tollard's 90 acres". 18 lots (166 acres) were initially sold and eventually 134 acres were bought by Exeter Golf Club.

In 1885/6 Frederick, therefore, would have been a tenant on this estate. Perhaps the prospect of owning his own farm drew him to the other side of the world?

regards

[RobynD]

Dear Hanes Teulu
Many thanks for the information you have provided. And yes, if you have time when you visit Exeter Archives,  I would be very grateful  for any information at all that adds to the information in your two posts.
My grandfather Thomas Milton, the youngest child of Frederick and Mary Knapman, was only a young child when they family migrated to Sydney.  The oldest son, also Frederick, was the only one who continued farming and he selected land at Coombell, near Casino on the far north coast of NSW - not far from where I now live. The rest of the family lived in Sydney.
However, I know little  of their lives in Heavitree, other than the information on the 1881 Census which gives the names of the parents, children, address, Tollards Farm, 180 acres;  it sounds as though the farm must have been subdivided if it was only 90 acres in 1920.
So any further information you find would be very welcome. indeed
We will be visiting England in July and I intend going to Exeter if only to be able to see where they lived.
Look forward to hearing from you again
Again - many thanks
RobynD

[Pavski]

Hello Neil,
I am Helping a good family friend, and what would appear to be your distant cousin, a Knapman Descendant.
She has Just started looking into her roots and Knapman is her Ggrandmothers family, I've tentatively arrived at William Knapman B  1804 d 1885 Buried in Kingswear Cemetary with his Wife Sarah (Yeoman marr Totnes 1843), he was sof William and Jane ??
Whilst I havent yet substantiated these with BMD certs, ( primarily as I dont want to spoil the discovery of names etc for my friend,) I wondered if this was your William and wondered if It were would you be willing to share any further info on this line, in fact any help you might offer would be very much appreciated,
Regards
Pav
Swindon UK

Hi - Saw your post after googling this name. My Great Great Grandfather is also William Knapman and is buried in Kingswear Cemetery too! (has to be the same guy?) I am descended from his son also William knapman (see photo) - I have researched this line and would be happy to let you have what I have got - please reply
Cheers
Neil knapman

[KNAPPO]

Hello, thanks for getting in touch!
Yes I have researched this line, William b1804 and Sarah (Mardon) Knapman are my gggrandparents, they lived their lives in Kingswear and are buried there. William was a mariner and later a market gardener. His son also William b1845 moved to Liverpool to further his maritime career and his descendants (including me, are still here!) Going back further on this line The Knapman's lived in Stoke Gabriel (a village on the banks of the River Dart) going back to the late 1600's After that it is pretty much guesswork I think the family then goes back to Throwleigh on Dartmoor. I have pretty much exhausted what there is from Parish records, there was some old wills but they were destroyed when Hitler bombed Exeter! If I can help you in any way with your research please get in touch.
Kind Regards
Neil Knapman

[Pavski]

Hi Neil, wow thats a quick reply!! thank you for your offer of help,
I believe i am correct when I list the following but would welcome any corrections and earlier additions.
the Line is marked ***: thru Ada Knapman and thru the census I have arrived at William born 1804,sof of william b? and Jane b?.m?
1911 census
Name                relation    age    m/f      occupation       birthplace
George Henry Knapman *** head   60  marr  mason (incapacitated) Kingswear
Mary Knapman          wife    50  marr                      Thurbridge nr brean
George Knapman       son     29 single  GWR Labourer         Kingswear
Bessie Knapman      daug     21     single       Laundress             Kingswear
Beatrice Knapman    daug      19    single       Laundress           Kingswear
Emily M Knapman   daug       16     sing         Domestic             Kingswear
Ada Knapman         daug      15     sing         Laundrys             kingswear
Frederick Knapman   son      13     sing         school                 Kingswear
Gladys Knapman      daug      6     sing         school                 Kingswear
Sydney Knapman     grandson 10m                                        Kingswear

Address Elin?/ cottage  Kingswear census not clear does the cottage? still exist?


1901 census
Name Age Where born Administrative county Civil parish Occupation
Fredrick J Knapman 3 Kingswear Devon Devon Kingswear Juvenile
Ada A Knapman 4 Kingswear Devon Devon Kingswear Juvenile
Emily M Knapman 6 Kingswear Devon Devon Kingswear Juvenile
Beatrice Knapman 9 Kingswear Devon Devon Kingswear Juvenile
Bessie M Knapman 11 Kingswear Devon Devon Kingswear Juvenile
Charles F Knapman 13 Kingswear Devon Devon Kingswear Errand Boy (1911 census)
Ethel Knapman 14 Devon Kingswear Devon Brixham Juvenile
William E Knapman 18 Kingswear Devon Devon Kingswear General Labourer  (1911 census)
Mary Knapman 40 Crediton Devon Devon Kingswear
George H Knapman*** 49 Kingswear Devon Devon Kingswear Mason


1891 census
Piece: RG12/1710 Place: Totnes -Devon Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Kingswear Ecclesiastical Parish: Kingswear
Folio: 15 Page: 23 Schedule: 140
Address: Brixham Rd
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
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KNAPMAN George H*** Head M M 39 Mason(Em'ee) Devon - Kingswear
KNAPMAN Mary Wife M F 30 Devon - Witheridge
KNAPMAN George H Son - M 9 Scholar Devon - Brixham
KNAPMAN William E Son - M 7 Scholar Devon - Kingswear
KNAPMAN Ethel M Dau - F 4 Devon - Kingswear
KNAPMAN Charles F Son - M 2 Devon - Kingswear
KNAPMAN Bessie M Dau - F 10m Devon - Kingswear



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Marriages Jun 1881
Knapman George Henry Totnes 5b 313
Western Mary Totnes 5b 313

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1881 British Census
   

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   Household:
Name    Relation   Marital
Status   Gender        Age   Birthplace   Occupation   Disability
William KNAPMAN ***Head    M    Male    76 Dittisham, Devon, Eng   Gardener    
Sarah KNAPMAN Wife    M    Female    73 Kingswear, Devon, Eng       
George H. KNAPMAN **Son    U    Male    30 Kingswear, Devon, Eng    Mason    

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Source Information:
   Dwelling    Alms House
   Census Place   Kingswear, Devon, England
   Family History Library Film    1341523

   Public Records Office Reference    RG11
   Piece / Folio    2174 / 6
William Napman
Gender:   Male
Baptism/Christening Date:   04 Mar 1804
Baptism/Christening Place:   DITTISHAM,DEVON,ENGLAND
Birth Date:   
Birthplace:   
Death Date:   
Name Note:   
Race:   
Father's Name:   William Napman
Father's Birthplace:   
Father's Age:   
Mother's Name:   Jane
Mother's Birthplace:   
Mother's Age:   
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:   C05082-1

System Origin:   England-ODM
Source Film Number:   917196
Reference Number:   

Marriages Jun 1843
KNAPMAN William Totnes 9 559
YEOMAN Sarah Totnes 9 559

I wondered if the 1804 William is the same one buried 1885 in the Kingswear Cemetary with wife Sarah?
also if I have the correct lineage are you able to help with earlier generations at all, anything you care to send would be very greatfully recieved and credit duly noted to you.
I understand from checking that Kingswear  P.Registers were not filmed and do not occur on the LDS?? so any further facts you may be able to help with would be a godsend,look forward to hearing from you,
Regards
Pavski