John Jones

[jennyrob]

I have found the one I am looking for on the 1901 census married to Ann nee Rees 1866 He was born Abergwilli 1871 and she St Ishmael
I have a marriage certicate  It says they were married 1892 with a father David alabourer
I have found a birth certificate for John but how do you know whether its the right one
 I have the father David  a blacksmith journey man ,mother Hannah nee Evans.
I have a birth place of Bishops Mill Abergwilli I cant find anyof them on the cencuses before 1901 How can I be sure that its right or wong

[Arranroots]

Hi Jenny

With the more "popular" names like JONES we sometimes have to go with the balance of probabilities!

Perhaps you could give more detail.

For the marriage: where, when, who were the witnesses, the occupation, address & age of the groom - these should make it easier to find them in 1891.

For the birth - is Bishop's Mill an exact location or is there more detail? what is the date? Who registered the birth?

I'm happy to have a look for you.

Another approach is to check the names of the couple's children against previous generations - especially if an unusual one crops up (living in hope!)

Kind regards, Arranroots 

[jennyrob]

I would be grateful if you could have a look for me The marriage cert says John was 22 The census says hes from Abergwilli He is a labourer his father David is written down as a labourer .
Ann is 25 in 1892 Her father is Daniel Rees a farmer I have tracked him down .
The witnesses are William Rees Ann had a brother William and Sarah Ann Jones I have looked for her without luck  They married in St Ishmael church
Thankyou Jenny

[osprey]

I have a possible for you.

1871
Middle Rd, Llansaint, St Ishmael RG10/5493 folio 59 pg 11
Hannah Jones head widow 24 cockle gatherer b. Llansaint
John son 1 b. Abergwilly

1881
Red Lion Row, Llansaint, St Ishmael RG11/5394 folio 115 pg 16
Thomas Jones head mar 26 general lab
Hannah wife 34
John son 11
William son 8
Sarah Anne dau 6
Elizabeth dau 4
Miriam dau 1
all born St Ishmaels

possible remarriage
Thomas Jones dec qtr 1872 Carmarthen vol 11a pg 1411 with Hannah Jones on the same page

to confirm previous names, this birth reg
Miriam Jones june qtr 1879 Carmarthen vol 11a pg 831

Family has daughter Sarah Anne to match your witness


Likely family for Hannah if she was born Evans
1851 Llansaint, St Ishmaels HO107/2472 folio 338 pg 15
Elizabeth Williams head unm 63
Anne Evans sister widow 54
Ann Evans dau unm 26
Hannah Evans grand child 4
all born St Ishmael
relationships would appear to be wrong on this census, as they should be to head of household, but are given to head

1861 Hannah still living with gret aunt Elizabeth RG9/4136 folio 83 pg 11

possible marriage for Hannah Evans & David Jones dec qtr 1866 Carmarthen vol 11a pg 1154

possible death regs for David Jones
age 23 sept qtr 1869  Carmarthen vol 11a pg 370
age 23 june qtr 1871 Carmarthen vol 11a pg 486
 
      

[jennyrob]

How brilliant are you  It  is looking very promising Thankyou so much I have been looking for months Did you do it on ancestry and what did you type in to get this info Cheers Jenny

[osprey]

Yes, I used Ancestry. I searched for John on the 1871 to start off with, as I wasn't having any luck finding him on a later census. I spotted the one born Abergwilli with mother Hannah in St Ishmael's where his wife was from, so looked for them on the following census and searched for Hannah Evans in years before.

There is another John of similar age born Abergwilli with mother Hannah, but he is still living with his mother in 1901 and his father wasn't  David. It can help if you search for a sibling with a less than common name if there is one.  Following the family group through a few census years can eliminate wrong'uns.

Family is still in Llansaint in 1891 RG12/4515 folio 118 pg 15 and 1901 RG13/5110 folio 94 pg 5.

Certficates needed to confirm this family as it's nearly always possible to find a Jones or Davies family in Wales to fit.

    

[jennyrob]

Thankyou Well it all fitts in John and Anns marriage cert says father is David
The birth cert I had says Hannah Evans is the mother .
I will however purchase David and her marriage cert .
What is more I found a lady on ancestry with Hannah and John in her tree.
 Just e mailed her I would buy you flowers if I could

[osprey]

Virtual ones are lovely, thank you!